(1:30:00) DANIEL: I believe you have it on good authority that this is the Fifth Era of Man, which is consistent with another notable SSP account. And do you know how and why the previous have been reset?
APOLLYMI: Again, that has to do with the star-seed project. And it resets every [two] thousand years.
DANIEL: That’s it? That little?
APOLLYMI: Yeah.
DANIEL: Because isn’t it like the 12,000 years that we hear about, the cataclysmic cycle?
APOLLYMI: Uh-huh, yeah. It’s that little because a new species can end up devastating the ecosystem and the planet, and it takes a lot of money and a lot of time to reset. So, also, it’s basically like— And it’s not just this planet: it’s every seed planet. So, whatever their rotation cycle is, it’s set in that timeline. But it’s enough time for the species to evolve, and animals and plants to evolve, without too much detriment—unless the rules are broken and certain entities give people technology they’re not supposed to have. So, naturally evolving on their own, or whatever the theme of the experiment is—
DANIEL: What about— without necessarily going into detail, do you know who put the frequency cap over Earth that removes our abilities?
APOLLYMI: I’m assuming you’re talking about the veil. The veil is what puts a limit on the quanta or prana or chi energy on this planet. The matrix is what makes the illusion of only humans being here, and a few other things. But the veil was put up because it’s part of the experiment. It’s part of going through the ascension process with almost no abilities. Because when you start accessing your abilities, you start accessing your DNA (and) you start accessing your memories, and they didn’t want that. This was supposed to be a blind experiment with no contact from the ET parents, (and) only having teachings down here of the apocalypse and the ascension. Because the ascension happens first, and then the apocalypse happens—the wipe, as we call it, the reset. [It was] to see how the species would interact and to see if they could evolve [and] ascend on their own with just teachings. Honestly, I think it’s the most stupid experiment ever. I’ve had my (meetings) about it with a lot of the councils that set up this experiment. I and few other people were invited to sit down with those councils and have and talk with them, and be like, “Okay, what worked? What didn’t work? What are your thoughts on this?” Because I work for the star-seed council as well. And I was like, “You guys are a bunch of idiots.”
(2:34:40) DANIEL: And is the veil also responsible for us not remembering our past lives?
APOLLYMI: Yes, that is also a huge one. There are several other star-seed planets that can have that up, because it is part of the ascension process, because you cannot ascend sometimes if you already know what your past is. And it gives you a new slate to, basically, experience a life and go through everything. Of course, you’re supposed to be ascending at the same time: you’re not supposed to be stuck not knowing anything. But it allows you to have a life without being influenced from your past lives.
DANIEL: So, there’s a clear rationale to it.
APOLLYMI: Yes, yeah. So, it will allow you to build character before you start remembering everything. There are certain gifted people down here who have quite a bit of their memory of maybe one or two or three of their past lives, maybe (insights) here and there, or definite memories that have scarred their soul in a good way or bad, that make their morals the way that they are.
DANIEL: Right, right. But it’s put in place for a reason, (yet) you seem to (complain) about it.
APOLLYMI: Right. And you’re supposed to go through the ascension process, which allows you to activate your DNA. Your DNA holds all the memory of your ancestors, including yourself, so when your soul starts to resonate with it, you’ll start to get more past lives. Not everyone gets past lives, especially if your higher self doesn’t want you to have those past lives just yet. It isn’t a good or a bad thing: it just means that it’s not time yet.
The most messed-up experiment ever
(2:36:40) DANIEL: Right. And let’s go to the final question, which is, you at one point said that this was the most messed-up of all the star-seed planets. What makes it that way, and what happens if we don’t get it together?
APOLLYMI: There are worse planets than this when it comes to environment, when it comes to slavery or abuse, that sort of thing. What is really messed-up about this planet is the experiment itself. Not only do you (have amnesia), but the veil is put up, which is incredibly high. Most seed planets do not have a veil; they do not have a power cap. And this just means that ascension is extremely hard. Because, when you’re born on another planet and you have to go through your ascension process, you’re still going to have your empathy; you’re still going to have telepathy, perhaps, if the DNA allows it. You’re still going to have abilities. (Having) abilities does not equal ascension. It’s a (by-)product that happens; sometimes you get better at it. But ascension is the evolution of consciousness: it becomes more mature; it becomes more understanding of the full universe spectrum around you. It’s like growing up. But you can have your abilities from birth. The veil caps that; it makes it so that we don’t have that, or it’s incredibly hard to manifest here. Between that and the (amnesia), and just the complete chaos of the experiment—not having your celestial parents here, not having someone to teach you the points of ascension—is completely messed up. This is the worst place that I’ve ever been to for a seed planet. And normally, I get set down on the seed planets for four years before judgment is passed, before the time of the wipe.
So, [this is] what’s going to happen if things don’t get better: the wipe’s going to happen regardless of whether people ascended or not. You haven’t hit dysphoria [sic], which is one hundred percent ascension of everyone on the planet. Not the planet itself—the planet has its own process to go through; the planet is not entirely included in this. It’s the things living on it. We barely reached the ten-percent mark; so, everyone is on personal judgment right now. It’s no longer a group effort, unfortunately.
So, what’s going to happen? The wipe is going to happen, regardless. The wipe always happens unless dysphoria [sic] hits. But that doesn’t mean that you should lose hope. Because, again, you’re going to be taken off of this planet, if your physical body manages to survive it, and then you’re going to be judged. They’re going to see how much ascension you had, where your evolution is, and then place you on a hub planet that was mentioned earlier, (based on your level). And then you’ll be re-integrated into galactic society and able to live your life there, or go out and explore as well.
DANIEL: So, it’s still up in the air whether (there will be) a happy outcome; it’s up to the individual, as you said before, right?
APOLLYMI: Right, but they’re going to do a wipe on this planet regardless, because this planet is very damaged. It is so damaged, they’re going to end up doing the wipe and healing the planet.
DANIEL: What window of time?
APOLLYMI: Between 2025 to 1,000 years from now is your time-frame. The first judgment has already happened. The second judgment will happen 1,000 years after 2025. And then, after that, it could take all the way up to another 1,000 years before the wipe happens.
JOHN: So, when they do this, all our souls will just go to other seed planets, or what?
APOLLYMI: No, it will be your physical body. Therefore, many of us may not even exist by the time the actual judgment and wipe happens.
Saint Olga 69 (Daniel Sala). “Apollymi & John Whitberg: SSP Insider Interview – 9.6 Trillion Breakaways, ETs Fighting over Earth” – Sept. 17, 2022 (https://youtu.be/QspBEZCco2M)
Aldebaran, Alpha Tauri, also known as the Eye of Taurus, is an orange giant star located 65 light years from Earth. It is the brightest star in Taurus constellation and the 14th brightest star in the night sky. Aldebaran’s luminosity is 518 times that of the Sun.
The name Aldebaran comes from the Arabic word al-dabarān, meaning “the follower.” The name refers to the Pleiades cluster (Messier 45), which the star appears to be following across the sky.
The Taurus constellation is known for its bright stars Aldebaran, Elnath and Alcyone, as well as for the variable star, T Tauri. Taurus is also home to the Pleiades (Messier 45), also known as the Seven Sisters.
DANIEL SALA: And in the other in the ET programs that deal with time manipulation, is it more of a feature of the negatively oriented ETs, or is it another gray zone? JOHN WHITBERG: It’s also a gray zone. Some of the bad ones do do it a lot. Like, the Aldebaranites, they do it a lot. (https://youtu.be/fInM_RK7ujk?si=9pWzLumJIvSBKBiq)
(8:00) JAMES RINK: Today we have a very special guest: we have Apollymi Mandylion. Apollymi is a super soldier hybrid created by the Dark Fleet and the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC). . . .
You were starting to talk a little bit about Project Ashwet, and its connection with the Aryan ETs and the Children of God at Camp Livingston (Louisiana, United States).
APOLLYMI: Yeah, they have technology that’s a little bit more advanced than the general projects. Because when we go into the general projects, they test our physical, mental and psychological capabilities. They also test any powers that we have, and then they separate us into groups based on those.
And then we go to what I call boot camp, which would be the Ashwet Program. Ashwet means Children of God, and we’ve heard a lot of the Aryans say that quite a few times. It is basically one of the most brutal places that I have been. So, when you go over there, you are basically, for lack of a better word, just experiments. You have no rights.
They basically make us not use our abilities, where the other projects focus on our abilities. These guys put us through hell. We can’t use our abilities, but we’re fighting entities and beings who have their abilities. You’re still treated like you’re in military boot camp for all intents and purposes, and technically a prison inmate. There’s rape, molestation. Like, we’ve seen our members get ripped in half and then just appear the next day, ‘cause they throw them in the tanks.
JAMES RINK: What is an Aryan ET?
APOLLYMI: The Aryan ETs are a species of extraterrestrial that look human. They could walk around down here and you wouldn’t know the difference, except for their energy signature and their pheromones, because they have a different scent than humans have. But they are what most people would consider the blonde Nordics, although they do have some [with light-brown hair] in their culture as well — the blond hair, blue eyes, fair skin. Some of them, not all of them, actually worked with some of the Nazi forces as well (during the Second World War). They were the ones who came down here and said, “We can give you power if you try to take over the world.”
But they’re the ones who supplied a lot of the technology to reverse-engineer. And they actually have quite a lot of power down here on Earth in the shadows. They’re basically making super soldiers to fight whatever battles that they decide. It’s not like we ever have a choice in the matter. For some reason they are a huge part of the ICC as well.
They actually have quite a lot of power down here on Earth in the shadows.
JAMES RINK: When you were taken to this facility, were you abducted through teleportation?
APOLLYMI: They usually came for me at night. And usually it started with the black helicopters, but as I went to Camp Livingston, I got stronger. So, I started to be able to manipulate astrally and mentally, so they had to start dimensional shifting into my room. You could literally see my bed being pressed in while they held me down and shoved a needle in my neck, and I could taste and feel the burning sensation of liquid going into me. And this is when I started having a fear of needles out of nowhere. I didn’t like being held down in any manner. But no, they came for me dimensionally, knocked me out, and when I woke up I was on base. Same for when they would take me back.
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John Whitberg
JOHN WHITBERG: I have what I call the anchor memory, [the one] that never went away . . . where I’m lying in bed, I’m six years old, and this portal opens in the wall, and this woman—I’m not sure if she was an alien or if she was a German woman who was genetically modified, because she was like ten feet tall—and she stepped through this portal in my bedroom wall. She had on a Nazi uniform and I couldn’t move at all. And I was frozen in place, and then I got picked up and levitated through this portal.
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(22:30) DANIEL SALA: So, you’re not sure who the ETs were who afforded the humans the technology to go out in space before the First World War, but after that you said the Aldebarans were responsible, the Nordic Aryans, and they are also the ones who turned the Germans into racists, right?
JOHN WHITBERG: Yeah. I’ve had encounters with them, not good encounters, and their belief is that blond, blue-eyed people, the universe should be their plaything, basically, and everyone else is just scum.
DANIEL SALA: So they’re blond themselves.
JOHN WHITBERG: Yes.
DANIEL SALA: And do you know what prompted the Germans to switch from relying on the Aldebarans to relying on the Draconians?
JOHN WHITBERG: The Draconians had better stuff to offer. It’s really not that exciting — t’s just that they just had more to offer. It was a better deal in general. And plus, the Aldebarans were only willing to work with white German people, and the Draco don’t really care, so that massively expanded the quantity of people the Germans could work with.
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(25:40) JAMES RINK: Well, let’s go back to Project Ashwet at Camp Livingston. So, we’ve already established that you think you were there for about a year and a half. I think you said 12 to 13.
APOLLYMI: Twelve to thirteen, at least.
JAMES RINK: What were they grooming you for at Camp Livingston? You’ve established it was ET combat, but was there anything else you would like to mention?
APOLLYMI: Basically just ET combat, if you were taken prisoner and tortured, anything of that scenario. And trust me, they took great pleasure in the torturing part. . . . Like I said, I’ve had my limbs ripped off; I’ve been raped and molested . . . We were tortured on a daily basis. They were basically training us to be soldiers, and really more physical-combat-oriented, to be fighting ETs who had abilities. When we went back to Section 13, that’s when our ability training started pretty heavily. So you had two different factions training us for kind of the same purposes, but in two different ways. And they would always say, “Oh, you’re a part of Project Ashwet. You guys should be honored. You guys are the Children of God. You need to be strong.”
(28:00) JAMES RINK: The handlers who run this facility, do they look human? Were they Nazi?
APOLLYMI: Yes. They definitely had the Nazi uniforms. We had this one lady, she went by the name, Lilith, and she was the bane of our existence. She was one of the head people there—not the highest, but she was in charge of our group. And she did everything possible to rip you apart, mentally, physically and emotionally. They all looked like blond hair, blue eyes, or they had that light brown hair color with green eyes.
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JAMES RINK: And how many other children were there, do you think, with you in Cheyenne Mountain (Colorado, United States)?
JOHN WHITBERG: Conservatively, thirty or forty.
JAMES RINK: Can you tell us what year this was?
JOHN WHITBERG: 2007 is when I was taken. I mean, they could have moved me to any point in time, and I wouldn’t know.
JAMES RINK: Did you happen to see any German iron crosses or black suns or swastikas?
JOHN WHITBERG: Yeah, there were lots of swastikas, SS runes; it was very much one of their outposts.
JAMES RINK: And do you actually remember Mengele personally?
Taken at the Scherf country home in Germany at Christmas time c 1929. Note how the Bushes are surrounded by future Paperclip Nazis.
Josef Mengele
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JAMES RINK: If they have replicator tech (the Dark Fleet), couldn’t they just use a replicator to make everybody really nice replicators? Why did they have to have this division?
(34:45) DANIEL SALA: Also, at Camp Livingston, what was the purpose of them shutting down all your psionic abilities when fighting those ETs?
APOLLYMI: I asked them this too, because I did meet up with one of the ICC head organization members, because I had a lot to say and I was trying to buy my DNA contracts — I do have credits off-world. And I asked him the same question. I asked, “Why did you guys do this?” And he said, “We wanted you to be perfect. You guys are in the Child of God Project, so we wanted you to be absolutely perfect by being able to fight things, to open up your mind, open up your reality,” which basically translates as, “You need to learn how to adapt to situations you don’t have control of.”
So, they wanted us to find other methods of boosting our abilities, learning how to hack around things for our abilities — again, I learned to control my avatars and control my soul-shards because of their training. They made us think on a completely different level. And they did not stop until you got it. I was actually in the training program a lot longer than most people who I went in with.
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(36:30) DANIEL SALA: You said you managed to get suspended from the SSP; but does that mean you were inactive, or that you got better memory wipes, because it seems like there’s no escaping the SSP.
APOLLYMI: When I was twelve, twelve and a half, I ended up getting the group together in Section 13, because none of us were happy, we were controlled by the Cabal, they were torturing us, barely feeding us, making us run through the dirt. And I got sick of it and so I actually incited a riot, and I ended up killing three of the high-ranking members who had raped me as a child and raped a couple of the other girls as well, and probably even more. But when they were doing that to me, there were three other girls in the room with me, and they were being completely brutal. I had no remorse; I had no problem with completely annihilating them.
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(32:30) JAMES RINK: Did this slave collar have a cattle-prod function, where they would electrocute you?
APOLLYMI: Yeah, at very high voltages. In Camp Livingston, as soon as we got there, if you pushed yourself as a threat, they would actually put cranial bombs into you, too.
(33:15) JAMES RINK: You know, it almost seems as though it’s a Draco-type facility, because it seems like they’re enslaving these people for off-world missions, as you said, grooming them for ET combat.
APOLLYMI: Yeah.
JAMES RINK: So let’s go into the end of the process. After you finished your training, did you actually graduate and get some kind of purple heart? Or did they put you in another program?
APOLLYMI: They evaluate you, and if you fail, you stay there until you break, or they sell you off, depending on your contracts. So, I managed to graduate after a year, and then they shipped me back to Section 13. And then from there, my other contracts—that I didn’t even know about—were put into place, and then I was basically groomed to go on missions—both on-world and in dimensions and in outer space . . .
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JOHN WHITBERG: So, Vega Prime, there was this colony called New Munich. It was a human German colony, and it also had a Japanese population and a Greek population. So, I remember getting off the drop-ship there, and we were in this like— it was in this hangar-bay type of thing on the top level of a skyscraper, so it was like, I guess like a space port.
We got off; we were saluted by a long row of soldiers, ’cause we were— and there was some sort of banner up saying something about how they were like welcoming the next generation.
Veronica Bartolini: Did the banner have something on there?
Andromeda is the name of a galaxy where there are humans and arcturians
(26:30) DANIEL: Apollymi, you also mentioned something interesting, that the Andromedans are in league with the U.S. government, and they’re one of the two main factions, and the other ones are the Draco. And could you say where you came by this information?
APOLLYMI: Uh, some of that is classified! But basically, I got some intelligence from actually being part of the Universal Council meetings. Because there are some presidents who go up there, and the Andromeda high counsellor— well, I call him the high Andromedan chancellor; his title is hard for me to pronounce. But I started putting a lot of the pieces together and started digging and got into quite a bit of trouble, but, yeah. Some of the information got revealed to me, and it’s a bit disturbing, because of the fact that our politics are basically ET chess games.
DANIEL: Do you know anything about the physical characteristics of these Andromedans? Are they the ones with light blue skin?
APOLLYMI: Uh-huh. Yeah, well, their skin color varies, but they’re the blue-skinned ones, certainly.
DANIEL: Oh, wow. So, they sound like the ones from Alex Collier’s account. Are there many ETs, from your experience, that look a lot like us, like humans—almost interchangeable?
APOLLYMI: Yes, absolutely. In Andromeda alone, there are about five different human species that— they can be a little taller, some of them are shorter, their skin— [With some], you could not tell they were ET.
DANIEL: And that’s why it’s best to not judge an ET by his cover, right? Because they can be just as malevolent as anyone, and [we should instead] judge them by their energy, I guess.
APOLLYMI: Absolutely. Actions, energies: you can’t really judge anyone by his species, either. Again, I’ve met Arcturians who worked for the Dark Council, and they weren’t double-agents at all. I’ve met Pleiadians, I’ve met humans [who worked for the Draco]. In outer space, it’s no different than here. Everyone thinks that they’re so miraculous and that they have to be evolved to be in space, but you actually don’t. You do to a point, but once that evolution happens and you get off of your seed-planet—if you were even born on a seed planet or your species just happens to be on a seed planet—actually, it can go anywhere. You can do anything that you want, just like down here. Your ties don’t have to be with your species. It’s just the way that things are up there. It doesn’t mean that you don’t make bad choices.
The Sirians are really close to the Andromedan species and the Arcturians—the Arcturians are the ones with the blue skin. Andromedans— I’ve never known an Andromedan to identify himself as such. But there are a lot of humans in Andromeda, but the head councilmember of the Andromeda Council is an Arcturian. And the Arcturians and the Sirians are very close to one another.
DANIEL: But aren’t Sirians the albinos?
APOLLYMI: Yeah, they look human. They look like a hybrid between a human and an Arcturian. So, they’ve got the larger heads, they have really pale skin, they have more humanoid facial features. They’re slender, though, like an Arcturian; their build is less muscular than that of a human. And they are very Zen-like.
I actually got a private training with a nobleman over there, and they have something similar to Zen Buddhism, very like Taoism. They have swordplay; they actually do a lot of the monk forms. I got to spar with one of them, and it was very graceful, very graceful sparring. She was trying to help me discover myself more. She was like, “You’re so afraid of yourself,” because I was pulling my punches. I was unsure of myself in my movement with her. And she was telling me all this stuff, and it was one hundred percent correct, from my body movements and my hesitation. And over there, I’m an avid fighter, a pretty good fighter: it’s not as if I’m unskilled. It’s just the way that they understand body movement is connected to the soul. Because I didn’t want to hurt them at all, and so I was kind of jerky to them, I guess, hesitant. She was like, “You need to trust yourself!” and I’m like, “The last time I trusted myself I blew up Maldek, okay? Not going to happen!”
JOHN: Yes, at least in the ethnically German colonies. I remember some Iranian Muslims on Mars; their version of Islam wasn’t the same as the one here. For example, the women didn’t wear head-scarves, and I think they had incorporated a lot astrology into it, which is kind of wierd. There are also Israeli colonies where they still practice Judaism. And I’ve remembered one Russian colony where they actually had a Russian Orthodox Church.
DANIEL: What about the ET religions?
APOLLYMI: Some ETs do have religion, yes. Either it is the all-mighty Source, or there are certain high teachers. For example, the Draconians have a couple of deities: one of them is Tiamat. They know a lot more about Tiamat than the Persians.
Tiamat is the Sumero-Babylonian Mother and Chaos Goddess. She is the elemental powerful force of chaos that was split in two to form the heavens and earth. She is often depicted as either as a serpent or a dragon. Tiamat is the personification of the primordial waters from which all life was formed.
DANIEL: And the Draconians, do they worship Tiamat?
APOLLYMI: Some of them do, yes.
DANIEL: And she’s a dragon.
APOLLYMI: Yes, she is a dragon, with seven heads. The Persians only give her five, but she actually has seven, according to the Draconians.
DANIEL: So, you haven’t seen her? You haven’t seen Tiamat?
APOLLYMI: It’s complicated. She’s still alive: she’s just not in this dimension; she’s not in this universe. But they give offerings; they do rituals. Of course, you can do a blood-sacrifice on the battlefield, ‘cause some dark Draconians are like that. Even the neutral and positive Draconians still give their offerings to Tiamat. She’s considered the mother of all dragons—in many different universes, too. It’s not just the Draconians who came from the other universe as well. So, there are many, many dragons, many, many Draconians, and we’re talking about actual dragons, who also view Tiamat as one of the dragon mothers. [With respect to the notion] that she’s a warrior-like deity and you have to give her blood-sacrifices, it can be as easy as anything that you make—she’s very easily pleased.
Marduk destroys Tiamat
They also have a couple of other dragon deities as well; I don’t remember their names.
APOLLYMI: The Sirians actually have the philosopy of Source. They do not worship Source. Many of the ETs do not worship deities as humans do. They see them as a teacher, they see them as a counsellor, they see them as a parent. The Sirians [revere] Source, which is why they [seem like monks]: they meditate a lot, they are very balanced, because they understand the balance of the universe, both good and bad.
DANIEL: I think most of the seeder races believe in the one creator of all, right, which is also Source. But you did mention something very interesting, that the Sirians and Andromedans are trying to bring about the Laws of One here on our planet. And do you know why?
(1:59:30) APOLLYMI: Well, the Hanovian Laws of One will never exist in this universe because they’re not [enforced]. Souce itself does not enforce the Laws of One. There is no one to [enforce] it here the way that it is [enforced] in Hanova (pronounced Anuva), because you have no free will in Hanova. It is very strict there. And so they are trying to bring some [version] of the Laws of One here, because in the Laws of One, you understand that Source is the creator of everything, both bad and good, and that there is balance in everything. You can’t have one without the other.
In Hanova, we have only one thing, and we have to agree to be harmed, or we have to agree to have traumatic experiences in order to grow, because you don’t get that over there. Everything is absolutely peaceful. And it leads to a one-way-street of learning. But they’re trying to bring it over here to balance out all of the negativity and all of the miscommunication of many of the religions, too, because everyone is taught to be [submissive], versus seeing their deity as a parent, as teacher. [Submissive] is what the dark Dracos want, because it makes you easy to control. . . . It really is up to the individual [to assert his sovereignty]. And training yourself to become strong enough to control yourself—because that is all you can ever control in this universe—is the most important thing.
DANIEL: And maybe that was their plan from the beginning, right?
APOLLYMI: I’ve had this conversation with the high Andromedan chancellor who is an Arcturian, and one of the other high chancellors who is a Sirian. They don’t understand humans as well as they think they do, not in the way that [humans feel] and not in the way that humans think. Because humans are more emotional than logical. You can be [very intelligent] and still be illogical. But they just don’t get it, because they haven’t had the experience of it. And when I merged with them to give them the experience, they felt, “No, this isn’t right; this isn’t acceptable.” And I [responded], “Well, how do you think we feel! I’m not even human and I’m still down here and I have to deal with this stuff! And I’m still having [problems] being down here, so how do you think humans feel being down here? I’m more logical than emotional and I’m still having problems, so how do you expect anyone to ascend on this planet?”
Hanova
(2:08:30) DANIEL: Also, Apollymi, considering that the Laws of One universe that is one where karma manifests instantly, is there room for good and evil in such places?
APOLLYMI: In Hanova, yes. You can still have bad intentions. Hanova does not take away your ability to think and feel all of the emotions. People [imagine] that [if I want to beat someone up], that it’s a negative thought and feeling, that it doesn’t belong in a place like Hanova. Hanova would be considered like heaven to most people. It is part of your consciousness; it’s part of everything’s consciousness. It [wanting to beat someone up] is a feeling that is on the opposite side of the spectrum. And it’s still part of creation and balance, but acting on that is a completely different thing. . . .
In the teachings— because we live with our creators over there. Nothing is hidden from us over there. We know who the Immortal Seven are. We know what Source is. We know that our creators were created by the creator, and they live with us, and they teach us and everything. They teach how to be balanced, what to do with anger and emotions, and when to use it and when not to use it. If you want to fight, you have to sign contracts over there to go to designated battle areas and fight, where you can die and be reincarnated. Otherwise, you would live forever as just one species over there, and I mean like an eternity.
DANIEL: You mentioned incarnating: and is it true that the souls that have finished their reincarnation cycle in, say, this universe, return to Hanova after they are done?
APOLLYMI: So, dying will take you to a place in Hanova, but it doesn’t take you to the outer area of Hanova. You basically go into a certain dimension in Hanova, which is an afterlife area. It is where you are not in a physical dimension of the same. So, you can have your afterlife, your soul rests, it goes through everything it needs to, depending on which religion you’re in, because [the religions] have certain areas. The afterlife is very complicated. I’ll be [talking about] that in my disclosure, because people need to know. None of it is really a lie: it’s just complicated. And you can choose— when it’s your time to be reincarnated, there are certain places where you can be reincarnated.
Hanova is immense
(2:11:50) DANIEL: And it also dwarfs our universe, Hanova, right? It’s huge, much bigger.
APOLLYMI: So, to put it into scale, our entire universe would be like a tiny speck of dust over there. Hanova is incredibly big.
JOHN: Wow.
DANIEL: And we can’t even find the limits of this one.
APOLLYMI: No, you can’t. I mean, eventually you could find the limits of this one, I’m sure. I’m sure most species have, but, yeah, it is very, very, very huge. It is the first universe; well, “first universe.” They call it Central Universe.
Breakaway humans hybridized with alien species
(2:12:40) DANIEL: So, jumping back to the colonies, John, are some of the populations of the colonies hybridized with extraterrestrial DNA?
JOHN: Yeah.
DANIEL: They even look it?
JOHN: Yeah, uh-huh.
DANIEL: And what is the purpose?
JOHN: They just— most of the time it was just people being horny. Sometimes did do that because they wanted an entire colony to be telepathic, or something like that, but most of the time it was like they got integrated with the native species and they started having kids.
DANIEL: It’s as simple as that?
JOHN: Yeah.
DANIEL: Interesting. But I’m guessing some are of are part experimental planets and— that have intentionally crossed with us to see what would happen, right?
JOHN: I’m sure, yeah.
(2:16:30) DANIEL: And what about the average intelligence of the humans in the Breakaways? And also, are there many telepathic humans there?
JOHN: There are a lot of telepathic humans here; it’s just that our society supresses it. Their society does not. They encourage it. Schoolteachers in the Breakaway will actively look for signs of that, and then, if they find kids who are showing signs, they will be trained. Average IQ, it’s probably a little bit more, just because the issues we have on Earth that cause lower IQs, such as Down’s syndrome and things like that, don’t exist out there.
DANIEL: The poisons.
JOHN: Yeah. They just don’t exist out there, especially with regeneration technology. Even if a kid was born with something like that, they could just regenerate him and get rid of that.
DANIEL: So, it sounds like where our average is around 100, their’s is around 150.
JOHN: Yeah, I’d say something like that. Yeah.
DANIEL: Also, how did ET races end up cohabiting with the humans, and what were some of their major traits?
JOHN: Uh, in a lot of these places, when we colonized their planets, either they were friendly and receptive to us, or we were friendly and receptive to them. And so, they just became integrated.
Disclosure in the Breakaways
(2:20:30) DANIEL: And you also mentioned the fact that you have discolosure movements out in the Breakaway planets, which is a first. Does that mean that information is equally suppressed there as it is on Earth?
JOHN: I would say moreso. I would say it’s comparable to China or Saudi Arabia. There is internet and there is like a dark web where people will post conspiracy theories, but something like what we’re doing on YouTube, that is a mainstream site, where we talk about this, that would not be possible. There is a disclosure movement for two big reasons. One is, everyone out there has been told that Earth is no longer habitable—in the Breakaway colonies, at least, they’ve all been told that. And much like how on Earth we have pictures proving that there is stuff on Mars, there are people out there who will take pictures—
DANIEL: Proving that there is life on Earth.
JOHN: Yeah. And the other big thing is that there is— I’ve mentioned earlier, most people don’t know about the slavery that is happening out there, at all. Only the elite, and sometimes the military know that, because the slaves are either in dedicated slave colonies or working alongside the elite in their elite colonies. The working class, the paid ones, have no idea that that is happening. So, there is a movement of people like smuggling pictures and stuff, and, like, testimonies of slaves.
The Alex Jones of the Breakaway colonies
I’ve actually remembered, the Breakaway has its own version of Alex Jones. She’s a Vietnamese-American woman living— I believe it’s in the American colony on Vega Prime. I grew up in the German colony on Vega Prime, but in the American colony there is a woman who does Alex-Jones-type of stuff. And when I got assigned to my Dark Fleet ship and learned that I would be speaking English because it had an American captain, I had to re-learn English. So, I would watch that show to re-learn English. But yeah, there’s a disclosure movement.
DANIEL: Right. And did they have access to internet that was interplanetary, or was it set to each planet?
JOHN: There’s interplanetary [internet], yeah. They do have something similar to Facebook; I can’t remember what it’s called, but they do have that. They do have ways of communicating, because, for example, you might have a family member on another planet, so there are ways to communicate interplanetary.
The Fifth Era of Man
(1:30:00) DANIEL: I believe you have it on good authority that this is the Fifth Era of Man, which is consistent with another notable SSP account. And do you know how and why the previous have been reset?
APOLLYMI: Again, that has to do with the star-seed project. And it resets every couple thousand years.
DANIEL: That’s it? That little?
APOLLYMI: Yeah.
DANIEL: Because isn’t it like the 12,000 years that we hear about, the cataclysmic cycle?
APOLLYMI: Uh-huh, yeah. It’s that little because a new species can end up devastating the ecosystem and the planet, and it takes a lot of money and a lot of time to reset. So, also, it’s basically like— And it’s not just this planet: it’s every seed planet. So, whatever their rotation cycle is, it’s set in that timeline. But it’s enough time for the species to evolve, and animals and plants to evolve, without too much detriment—unless the rules are broken and certain entities give people technology they’re not supposed to have. So, naturally evolving on their own, or whatever the theme of the experiment is—
DANIEL: What about— without necessarily going into detail, do you know who put the frequency cap over Earth that removes our abilities?
APOLLYMI: I’m assuming you’re talking about the veil. The veil is what puts a limit on the quanta or prana or chi energy on this planet. The matrix is what makes the illusion of only humans being here, and a few other things. But the veil was put up because it’s part of the experiment. It’s part of going through the ascension process with almost no abilities. Because when you start accessing your abilities, you start accessing your DNA (and) you start accessing your memories, and they didn’t want that. This was supposed to be a blind experiment with no contact from the ET parents, (and) only having teachings down here of the apocalypse and the ascension. Because the ascension happens first, and then the apocalypse happens—the wipe, as we call it, the reset. [It was] to see how the species would interact and to see if they could evolve [and] ascend on their own with just teachings. Honestly, I think it’s the most stupid experiment ever. I’ve had my (meetings) about it with a lot of the councils that set up this experiment. I and few other people were invited to sit down with those councils and have and talk with them, and be like, “Okay, what worked? What didn’t work? What are your thoughts on this?” Because I work for the star-seed council as well. And I was like, “You guys are a bunch of idiots.”
(2:34:40) DANIEL: And is the veil also responsible for us not remembering our past lives?
APOLLYMI: Yes, that is also a huge one. There are several other star-seed planets that can have that up, because it is part of the ascension process, because you cannot ascend sometimes if you already know what your past is. And it gives you a new slate to, basically, experience a life and go through everything. Of course, you’re supposed to be ascending at the same time: you’re not supposed to be stuck not knowing anything. But it allows you to have a life without being influenced from your past lives.
DANIEL: So, there’s a clear rationale to it.
APOLLYMI: Yes, yeah. So, it will allow you to build character before you start remembering everything. There are certain gifted people down here who have quite a bit of their memory of maybe one or two or three of their past lives, maybe (insights) here and there, or definite memories that have scarred their soul in a good way or bad, that make their morals the way that they are.
DANIEL: Right, right. But it’s put in place for a reason, (yet) you seem to (complain) about it.
APOLLYMI: Right. And you’re supposed to go through the ascension process, which allows you to activate your DNA. Your DNA holds all the memory of your ancestors, including yourself, so when your soul starts to resonate with it, you’ll start to get more past lives. Not everyone gets past lives, especially if your higher self doesn’t want you to have those past lives just yet. It isn’t a good or a bad thing: it just means that it’s not time yet.
The most messed-up experiment ever
(2:36:40) DANIEL: Right. And let’s go to the final question, which is, you at one point said that this was the most messed-up of all the star-seed planets. What makes it that way, and what happens if we don’t get it together?
APOLLYMI: There are worse planets than this when it comes to environment, when it comes to slavery or abuse, that sort of thing. What is really messed-up about this planet is the experiment itself. Not only do you (have amnesia), but the veil is put up, which is incredibly high. Most seed planets do not have a veil; they do not have a power cap. And this just means that ascension is extremely hard. Because, when you’re born on another planet and you have to go through your ascension process, you’re still going to have your empathy; you’re still going to have telepathy, perhaps, if the DNA allows it. You’re still going to have abilities. (Having) abilities does not equal ascension. It’s a (by-)product that happens; sometimes you get better at it. But ascension is the evolution of consciousness: it becomes more mature; it becomes more understanding of the full universe spectrum around you. It’s like growing up. But you can have your abilities from birth. The veil caps that; it makes it so that we don’t have that, or it’s incredibly hard to manifest here. Between that and the (amnesia), and just the complete chaos of the experiment—not having your celestial parents here, not having someone to teach you the points of ascension—is completely messed up. This is the worst place that I’ve ever been to for a seed planet. And normally, I get set down on the seed planets for four years before judgment is passed, before the time of the wipe.
So, what’s going to happen if things don’t get better: the wipe’s going to happen regardless of whether people ascended or not. You haven’t hit [UI], which is one hundred percent ascension of everyone on the planet. Not the planet itself–the planet has its own process to go through; the planet is not entirely included on this. It’s the things living on it. We barely reached the ten-percent mark; so, everyone is on personal judgment right now; it’s no longer a group effort, unfortunately.
So, what’s going to happen? The wipe is going to happen, regardless. The wipe always happens unless [all sentient beings ascend]. [People are] going to be taken off of this planet, and then [they’re] going to be judged. They’re going to see how much [people have advanced] and then place [them] on a hub planet that was mentioned earlier. And then [they’ll] be re-integrated into galactic society and able to live [their lives] there, or go out and explore as well.
DANIEL: So, it’s still up in the air whether (there will be) a happy outcome; it’s up to the individual, as you said before, right?
APOLLYMI: Right, but they’re going to do a wipe on this planet regardless, because this planet is very damaged. It is so damaged, they’re going to end up doing the wipe and healing the planet.
DANIEL: What window of time?
APOLLYMI: Between 2025 to 1,000 years from now is your time-frame. The first judgment has already happened. The second judgment will happen 1,000 years after 2025. And then, after that, it could take all the way up to another 1,000 years before the wipe happens.
JOHN: So, when they do this, all our souls will just go to other seed planets, or what?
APOLLYMI: No, it will be your physical body. Therefore, many of us may not even exist by the time the actual judgment and wipe happens.
John Whitberg was genetically engineered in the 1950s by the NSA, which was under an Illuminati group called The Majestic Twelve.
At the age of six, John was abducted from his bedroom and taken to Cheyenne Air Base, where his mind was fractured into multiple personalities. His alters were subsequently exploited for decades of service by three groups: Solar Warden, operated by the U. S. Navy; the American branch of Dark Fleet, also run by the U.S. Navy; and Project Phoenix, run by the Luciferian Brotherhood.
Solar Warden exploited one of John’s alters in a cloned body to work as a customs officer, and then killed the clone when they were done using him. The Dark Fleet raised alters of John from childhood in the Breakaway colonies, and he became a valued diplomat and also an archeologist. When his service with Dark Fleet was completed, he would be age-regressed and-time-regressed. – The Editor
Alters and bodies
(2:50) DANIEL: Let’s move on to John, who is not an ET hybrid, am I right?
JOHN: No, I am. In order to work with the Draco, because of their extreme psychic output, what they told me in the programs at least was you have to be at least 8 percent Draco; so, I was hybridized in-utero.
DANIEL: And you were part of a newer generation where, in the creation of alters, they were more lenient and not as traumatic, right? And they erase your memory and then download some artificial personality, am I right? Can you go into that a little?
JOHN: Uh, yeah. Well, there are two ways of doing it. When they use me in this body, which is what Dark Fleet does, they do erase my memory and they download an artificial personality onto it–I’m not sure exactly how it works. I remember being strapped down to a table with electrodes in my head, and I passed out, and when I woke up, I had this new personality and my abilities were activated and my implants were switched on and all that.
DANIEL: And you were age-advanced to the age of 30, and you had no memories of your life before, right?
JOHN: That was in Solar Warden; that’s a clone. That’s [entirely different]. But, yes, in Dark Fleet I have also had that happen [been memory-blocked and given a personality] in this body.
DANIEL: So, all your alters are like that?
JOHN: Yes, except for the ones who did grow up in the Breakaway.
Origin of the Breakaways.
(11:00) DANIEL: Let’s get on to what first caught my attention about John’s articles, which is his knowledge about the history of the Breakaways. So, do you know who founded the first Breakaway colonies? And whose initiative was it: was it the ETs or the humans?
JOHN: I have a few names I suspect, like I suspect probably Tesla was involved. It was a combination of— it was mostly human initiative, and there were aliens they found who were willing to help.
A little background: in the early 1800s, early-to-mid 1800s, science was advancing a lot in Germany, in America and in Britain in particular. And some of these people, I believe, were guided to find ancient Atlantean tech. I’m not sure who guided them, but some of them were. And so, some of these scientists from Germany, America, Britain, maybe Belgium, places like that, were finding this and reverse-engineering it. And at the same point in time, the so-called spiritualists were making contact through seances with, I believe, Inner-Earth Aryans, and they were receiving information about the broader universe.
So, in the 1840s—this is a story in and of itself—but I was sent on a mission back in time to get black goo samples on Mars. And this was on Mars in 1840, and they were setting up the first Mars colony. And they also told me they had colonies on the Moon, on Titan, and I believe on Ceres, already in 1840.
DANIEL: So, these are not the ones that have been [acquired] through time-travel—which we’ll get to later. These were in real-time; they went in the 19th century and establised colonies off of Earth.
JOHN: Yes.
DANIEL: And also, on the Moon and Titan, and how early did they establish the first ones outside this solar system?
JOHN: I believe in around 1900, give or take a few years.
DANIEL: I see. And do you remember what was actually the purpose for your retrieval of black goo there?
JOHN: Okay, there’s an ET species called the Rigelians; they look like four-foot-tall Asians. And they were studying it, so we wound up being the people who were on errands to go find it for them. This was in the more modern era. I don’t know the year that we got this assignment to go to Mars, but we discovered that in the modern era, all the black goo on Mars had already been mined away, so we had to go back in time.
Motives for ET involvement with Terrans
(15:00) DANIEL: Interesting. So, Apollymi, do you think that helping the ETs in their wars was actually their biggest motive in taking the humans and maybe exchanging some technology for the service?
APOLLYMI: In what time frame?
DANIEL: Well, throughout history. Do you think that this is their main motive for meddling with humans? Is it helping them in their wars?
APOLLYMI: It really depends on the agenda of the faction. Some factions—again, with the whole seed planet—it’s just about creating a species, having it down here, and having it evolve for certain [purposes]. Because the evolution here, they can pick up the DNA here and then put their children or hybrid children into different planets that they may not be suited to—you know, for the gravity, the air type, everything.
DANIEL: Yeah.
APOLLYMI: And then they have certain evolutionary factors that they can pick out, whatever they need to survive. There are other factions, obviously, that are using people for soldiers and for warriors and for the wars, but not all of them. So, it really depends on the factions. But humans are incredibly resilient; they highly adaptable in a short amount of time.
The Universal War
(16:30) DANIEL: Are you aware of any major ET wars going on in this section of the galaxy?
APOLLYMI: There was the continuation of the Universal War, but that ended, I believe, in around— I’d have to consult my archives again, ’cause I was there at the meeting for the treaty between the Andromedan and Sirian Council and the Dark Draco Council since the Elders stepped in. But that war has been calming down throughout the universe. Unfortunately, we are on the outskirts, and it takes awhile for the new ordinance laws to come through. But you’re starting to see a lot of the cleanup in this universe from that war between the Andromedans and the Sirians versus the Dark Council or the Dark Draco Council, Especially here on Earth. Here on Earth, they’re finally starting to clean everyone up out of it who was a native portion of that war.
DANIEL: So, humans got involved, too.
APOLLYMI: Humans got involved, too; they sure did. And unfortunately, they were still a by-product of that war, and there’s still stuff going on behind the scenes. The galactic community, it seems, is trying to gloss over the situation—“We’re going in the right direction,” and all—but there’s still a lot of cleanup that has to happen.
DANIEL: And how old is this war, do you think?
APOLLYMI: It was going on before my soul got here, and before my original body from Hinova got here, so pretty long.
DANIEL: And before we move on, this is something we discussed privately, but I was really piqued by it when I heard it. You mentioned that you actually have some information about the destruction of a huge percentage of the Pleiades by the reptilians. How come they’re missing a lot of their former stars?
Well, a lot of planets and a lot of stars ended up getting destroyed in this huge Universal War. You’ve got planets on both sides—both the territories of the Dark Draconians, Dark Council, and just throughout the entire universe. A lot of the super fighting ended up on the outskirts of everything. So, yeah. There was a just lot of devastation on both sides. And both sides are responsible for it, too, because I’m a neutral person. Fighting is fighting, and death is death—the morals of each side don’t matter, and both sides are equally guilty of contributing constantly to this war. They dragged everyone else into it, and that’s why they got in trouble with the overseer creators. Because this universe is just a leaf on the tree. So, there are greater creators out there than the ones that are responsible for this universe, and there are a lot of people who are in trouble right now.
JOHN: Apollymi, these reptilians who were attacking the Pleiades, were they Draco, or were they a different species?
APOLLYMI: That I’m not entirely sure. I just know they were reptilian and that they were working for the Dark Council. So, the Dark Council does not only accept reptilians on their team. They have Pleiadians, they have Arcturians, they have all sorts of people. They don’t treat them the same, because dragons and Draconians have this [superiority] complex, but a lot of species have that, but they do emply quite a few species.
JOHN: I can confirm some of what you said about the Pleiades, because a few months ago, one of our space stations, one of the German ones, was temporarily captured by a reptilian race. And I’m still not sure which one, but I was there; so, I can confirm that there was shit going down there
APOLLYMI: Yeah, and the Pleiades is actually one of the huge trade routes in the galactic universal trade-route system.
The Aryan ETs, Sometimes Called Nordics, Are From Aldebaran
DANIEL: So, getting back to the history side of things, John, you mentioned that a big part of what you did go back in time to negotiate setting up those colonies back in the 20th and 19th centuries. And you also mentioned that you saw Americans there, too, before WWI, and they were working together. Could you expand on that?
JOHN: Yeah. I mean, this is known history that Germany and America were very close allies before WWI. And even on Earth, there was a lot of scientific exchange between Germany and America, and a lot of immigrants going in both directions, too. So, before WWI, I mean, this whole concept that modern Americans have of Germany being someone to be suspicious of, that’s a very modern concept.
DANIEL: So, you’re not sure who the ETs were who afforded the humans the technology to go out in space before the First World War, but after that you said the Aldebarans were responsible, the Nordic Aryans, and they are also the ones who turned the Germans into racists, right?
JOHN: Yeah. I’ve had encounters with them, not good encounters, and their thing is that blonde, blue-eyed people, the universe should be their plaything, basically, and every else is just scum.
DANIEL: So they’re blonde themselves.
JOHN: Yes.
DANIEL: And do you know what prompted the switch from Aldebarans to the Draconians, in terms of German affiliation?
JOHN: The Draconians had better stuff to offer. It’s really not that exciting, it’s just that they just had more to offer. It was a better deal in general. And in addition, the Aldebarans were only willing to work with white German people, and the Draco don’t really care, so that massively expanded the amount of people Germans could work with.
1952 Surrender Agreement with U.S. Government
(24:00) DANIEL: Yes. And you also mentioned that the delegation of German Breakaways returned on Earth in 1952, which led to the signing of the treaties with various governments, among which was the [one that offered]150,000 Americans every year to the Germans in exchange for some technology. But you also were the first to list a few other governments, right? A few other places on Earth that they did this exchange with.
JOHN: Yes. I remember in that time-frame they did that with Argentina. I remember the Argentine community on Mars, and they’re very wealthy. The Argentines on Mars are pretty much the only people on Mars having a good time. And I think they did it with Spain—
DANIEL: The Middle East?
JOHN: Yeah, the Middle East. I remember Iranians in space, and I remember some Arabs—I’m not sure what country of origin they were.
DANIEL: And you mentioned some Greeks.
JOHN: Yeah; I’m not sure when they made the deal with the Greeks, but there was a Greek community in the Vega Prime colony where [what I believe is] my first alter grew up.
Languages of the Breakaways
DANIEL: And this whole thing leads to the switch in the Breakaways from German to English as the main spoken language?
JOHN: Yes.
DANIEL: So, German is still being used, right? But less.
JOHN: Yes. It’s still a minority language. And in the colonies where the German speakers are the majority, they are very proud of that, and if you try to speak English or any other language to them, they’ll act insulted. But in most places, it’s English.
DANIEL So, it’s like on Earth: you can get by with just English in most places.
JOHN: Yeah.
Terran-ET Alliances
(34:00) DANIEL: Getting back to the human factions, the major ones, do you know who they are? And what are their main ET counterparts, in terms of human SSPs (secret space programs)?
JOHN: Solar Warden I know works with the Nordics (Aryan ETs). I’m not sure which Nordics, ‘cause that’s a pretty common way for a species to look, for whatever reason.
DANIEL: Tigetans are probably some of them.
JOHN: Maybe, although the Tigetans are supposed to be pretty nice, and Solar Warden is not nice. But they were not nice to me at all. They were the ones who woke me up as an adult and just forced me to adapt. They did not treat me well. But that is possible.
And the main ally of the Dark Fleet, which is— The Dark Fleet is not just Germans: it’s all the various national factions who have colonies. For example, there’s also Japanese Dark Fleet, there’s a Russian one, there’s a French one, there’s an Amrican one, etc.
DANIEL: And these are all branches of the Dark Fleet?
JOHN: Yes, and they all have colonies. Their main ally is the Draconian Empire, but they do also work with tons of other species.
I’ve also done work with the CIA, and I remember spying on a lot of aliens when I was in the CIA, but I don’t remember any of the ones that they work with.
DANIEL: Right. And those nationalities that you mentioned,
JOHN: Tied for first place would be Germans and Americans. Tied for second place would be Japanese and Russians. And then after that, there are tons of people who have a few little colonies here and there.
DANIEL: And how much collaboration is going on between these factions?
JOHN: Well, there are three mercenary companies that will work for anyone who pays them. There’s Kruger and Monarch and Shoreline, and they each bring their own thing to the table. Monarch’s specialty is sex-slaves and bio-enhancements; Kruger’s speciality is mercenary services, like if you don’t want to get your hands dirty; and Shoreline is security personnel. And those three will work for literally anyone who will pay them.
There’s not much collaboration between the Dark Fleet and the various corporations, although there are some corporations that are actually subsidiaries of the Dark Fleet also.
DANIEL: But they do have some joint projects, right, and some sharing of the accounting here and there?
JOHN: Yeah, except Solar Warden doesn’t really cooperate with anyone: they don’t really like anyone. They keep to themselves almost completely. Except occasionally, they will agree to accept some hand-me-down technology from a more advanced group; but other than that, they do not trust anyone.
DANIEL: And in terms of firepower, I would guess the Dark Fleet is the first, and then you will have the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate second?
JOHN: Yeah.
DANIEL: And then Solar Warden and the other ones.
JOHN: Yes.
DANIEL: And how much are they sparring?
JOHN: I was never directly in combat, but from what I’ve heard about it, I know we clash. I know that in Dark Fleet they do have a lot of skirmishes with corporate groups and with various ET groups. They clash with the Aldebarans on a pretty regular basis, actually; and they clash with certain reptilians who— There are some reptilians, actually, who hate the Draco. People think all reptilians work together; there are some who hate the Draco because the Draco think of themselves as the gods of the reptilians a lot of the time.
APOLLYMI: That’s no joke!
JOHN: Yeah. So, the Dark Fleet does fight with them some. And there’s one really nasty grey species that— I’ve heard other people call them the Maitrea or something—
DANIEL: Maytra.
JOHN: Maytra, like that. And I know that we clash with them in Dark Fleet.
DANIEL: I know they have a taste for human flesh.
JOHN: Yeah.
APOLLYMI: Do they have a base on the moon, too?
JOHN: I think possibly. They have one on Mercury; they might have one on the moon.
Using Time-travel to Populate Colonies; Time Paradoxes
(52:30) DANIEL: John, you said that the moon of Saturn called Titan is inhabited by the German SSP for about 700 years, but that’s through time-travel, not normal linear time.
JOHN: Right.
DANIEL: And the reason for its importance is that it’s home to worm-holes, and that by now it has 14 million. So, my question to you was, do you have any idea who first suggested this idea of supplementing the space settlements through people who were dead and dying in plagues and wars and such via time-travel?
JOHN: I have no idea, honestly.
DANIEL: Well, Penny says it was the Germans who were stepping inside their own time-loop, unwittingly.
JOHN: Yeah, well, that, too; that did happen. . . . With respect to stepping into time-loops, sre you at all familiar with Norse mythology?
DANIEL: Somewhat, yeah.
JOHN: You know Jörmungandr, the serpent the wraps around the middle of the planet.
DANIEL: Yeah, yeah.
JOHN: One of the oldest things they have, that’s older than the Norse religion, through time-travel, is a ring-world station called Jörmungandr. My theory is that it’s a time-loop, that they thought they were naming it after the myth, but actually the myth wound up being named after the space station.
DANIEL: Yeah. I think that’s how it works. They had a ship called Valhalla, and they had shuttle-planes that were painted as horses. Do you know how far back did they stretch this procedure in time?
JOHN: I remember one batch of people who— we had just negotiated the colony and we were dropping them off, and they were wearing ancient Roman outfits, so I would say around 2,000 years, at least.
DANIEL: And do you know if they ran into any problems? Did this practice ever backfire on them?
JOHN: They were mostly picking up people who would not be missed, like homeless or dying or ill people—
DANIEL: Or freshly dead.
JOHN: Yes, or freshly dead. Very occasionally they might accidentally pick up someone who did end up being important, and then creating a minor paradox, but for the most part, it was pretty harmless to the timeline.
DANIEL: And then they would just return those people.
JOHN: Yeah, they could. Yeah.
Time Police
(56:00) DANIEL: And Apollymi, do you know about beings that regulate time-travel in case you abuse it?
APOLLYMI: There is a time police. They actually do time-travel. They are a faction that was founded in Norway and Sweden, if I remember correctly from my sources. And I have run into them a few times. They have the ability to ground people, which is making it so you can’t use your abilities for awhile. I got grounded for about a month. They don’t like people who have the ability to make black holes or to make wormholes or anything like that. They’re very strict about it, because every single time you have such an immense amount of power, it can create tears, it can create wormholes to areas—especially if you don’t know where you’re creating them to. It can let entities in here and other beings in that should not be here and they can just run amok. They’re kind of like the time version of the Andromedan Council’s Terra Guardians. The Terra Guardians are basically the Andromedans’ police officers for this world, where they’re supposed to help humanity, close portals, kick out entities that don’t belong, that sort of thing.
But as for this group, I don’t know if these guys from Scandinavia are just responsible for Earth of if they do more time work with the actual universe, or if they are just responsible for people who are from Earth.
DANIEL: I’m sure they’re beholden to ETs who do more high-level time manipulation, and the guarding and whatever. That would be my assumption.
Some Extraterrestrials View the Breakaways as a Violation of Universal Laws
(58:30) DANIEL: But what would you say that these high councils— what is their relationship with the Breakaway humans? How do they view them—for example, as a pest, or an ally, or— I think you mentioned six kingdoms. What’s your take on what’s happening?
APOLLYMI: So, there are six Draconian kingdoms; that’s another subject. Some of the councils are upset that these humans are getting off of a seed-planet who obviously didn’t see ascension, that they are violating laws and rules that are from Source itself. And a lot of them want to gather all of these people and at least bring them back into our solar system, for those who did not pass ascension correctly. They got off Earth easy, they got into space-travel— and this includes this includes the people who did time manipulation as well, because some of them were authorized to do time manipulation.
And then a lot of the other ones, they just don’t care; they don’t mind getting more people out there. This side of the universe that we’re in, again, is territory that is still new; we’re still kind of unclaimed, truly. So, that’s also part of why the fighting came over here, because of territorial wars.
So, and that’s why you have Draconians owning some of the planets outside of our solar system and having bases in this area, because in normal territories you don’t have that. If a territory is owned, you don’t see any Dark Draco bases over in Andromeda—that’s not going to happen. There are sympathizers over there, but they can’t go over and claim a planet. There is paperwork that the Universal Council has to do.
The last Dark Draco queen has been dealt with.
So, some of them accept [the Breakaways]; some of them are unhappy about it. There was Universal Council meeting not too long ago where this was also discussed. A lot of other things were discussed as well, such as what’s really going to be happening to this universe now that the main war has begun to die down, and obviously any uprisings that have happened lately have been crushed. The last Dark Draco queen has been dealt with. She wasn’t really a Dark Draco queen, but on Earth she was considered royalty by Earth standards, so she was earning her place in the [system]. But it will be interesting to see what this future brings for all of us, now that all of the dark resistance is getting crushed.
The Ashtar Command
(1:02:00) DANIEL: The Ashtar Command: you’re the first to actually see them for who they really were. And could you briefly cover what was the being that hid behind the hologram or appearance with you?
APOLLYMI: Ashtar Command is a group of people who are communicating with people on Earth. One of the entities, I went there as an emissary to figure out why this war was going on, how it was affecting Earth, how it was affecting the universe, and I ended up getting to meet some of the Ashtar commanders.
When I met this person, he had two females with him—a brunette with wavy hair and green eyes, and the other one was blonde with blue eyes. And there was a blonde-haired male human in front of me with blue eyes, but it didn’t really make any sense because it was a mental projection of what they wanted me to see, but it was a Katai. A Katai is what most would call the Cat-folk Lyraens, except that they are taller, they’re more muscular, their torsos are more elongated, and they’re built for battle. Their fur patterns are different; they usually have long tails. And some of them can have manes. And they are still a very emotional species; they’re still on the border of emotion and logic. They also have a very piratical personality, so they don’t like being told what to do. But they also have their own council in the universal councils as well.
And the Lyraen that was in front of me was a red-furred male, and I just kind of cocked my head and looked at them, and I just ignored it. And they told me that they’re here to help guide humanity because humans were lost in the dark, and they were trying to reach out to them any way that they can.
There are many species that work for Ashtar Command, but they usually show themselves as the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Nordics.
DANIEL: I’m sure that there’s a reason why they could cloak themselves that way, and for humans, the reaction would probably be too deleterious. But it’s cool that you confirmed that it’s a real thing—it’s not just a psyop, the Ashtar Command—and shed some light on some of the creatures that are hiding behind the projections.
9.6 Trilion People
(1:06:00) DANIEL: So, going back to the history of the Breakaways, I was curious, John, this was the first sentence in your second article, that the Breakaway population is 9.6 trillion. Would you mind going over how you came by this figure?
JOHN: Oh, okay. This is an interesting story. A few months ago, one of the main Dark Fleet space stations in the Pleiades was attacked. And it was recaptured, and the beings who attacked it, they looked roughly humanoid body with the head of a tyrannosaurus rex. And I was there as a diplomat negotiating the cease-fire, and I remember that species hate humans; they were saying something about, “We’re going to crush you like the roaches you are,” or something like that. And I remember distinctly saying, “Good luck with that. You have a few million people; we have 9.6 trillion.”
DANIEL: That was a good retort.
JOHN: Yeah. And that did shut him up.
DANIEL: Yeah. And you felt it in your mind; I mean, it counted like as a knowing, as a cognition, that what you were saying was based on factual evidence, right?
JOHN: Yes.
DANIEL: But you also mentioned to me that that did not include cyborgs.
JOHN: No, it doesn’t, so, who even knows how big it would be if they included cyborgs?
DANIEL: And, this is just my curiosity—it’s hard to say—but in your estimation, if you include time-looped clones and original bodies, roughly how many duplicates do Earth people have in space currently?
JOHN: I don’t know about time-looped bodies, but this is one of my popular takes (speculation): I think nearly everyone on Earth has a clone out there, because it’s so easy to make one. They can just wait until you’re asleep, and then just portal into your bathroom at night and grab a few hairs off of your comb, and then they can make several clones of you.
DANIEL: So, there’s nothing limiting them? They just have free rein?
JOHN: Basically, yeah. It’s pretty scary, but yeah—they can pretty much do whatever they want with whomever they want, just so long as they don’t break too many laws, and/or get caught by the wrong people.
DANIEL: And do you know any other races that have had such a quick expansion into space, or are we unique in that sense?
JOHN: The Aldebarans, I know, are expanding at a similar rate to us. That’s part of why we’re clashing with them so much, is they’re also building up their empire. And what I was taught in the colony school was that the Draconian Empire expanded very quickly. Of course, this was millions of years ago, but that’s what I was told.
DANIEL: So, you would say there are species that outnumber our 9.6 trillion in the galaxy?
JOHN: Yeah. I mean, there are definitely more mantids, because a mantid queen will lay a nest with thousands of eggs, and there are millions of queens.
APOLLYMI: And don’t forget the spiders.
JOHN: Oh, yeah; them, too. And there are a lot of Draco, too. I don’t know what their numbers are, but I would say it’s definitely in the trillions somewhere.
The Dark Draco Claim to Earth
DANIEL: Going further back in time, Apollymi, can you go over why the Draco claim Earth for themselves?
APOLLYMI: So, when this area was completely undiscovered, the Draco sent a scientific team into this area, and the Dracos actually found Old Earth—we’re going to call it Earth I. And they ended up crash-landing here, and they evolved here. Well, they ended up leaving after awhile, because other entities started coming in here. So, they went home and reported everything. And there were a lot more species who ended up coming in here and exploring.
It takes a long time to claim a planet, or to claim a moon, because you have to document it; you have to endure the Universal Council meetings. Because even though the universe fights a lot, there are still councils . . . who have to manage all of the universal territories. There is still order over there. And the Dracos are still very adamant about their claim. And it’s still an unclaimed territory: Earth has no claim over it; the solar system has no claim over it. And that’s why you have Dark Draco bases, you have Dark Faction bases right next to bases that are neutral, or that are what most people would call good, like the Arcturians and the Sirans. Normally this doesn’t happen.
So, when other species came in and started inhabiting it, and the Draco came back with other forces, there was a power struggle. Some of the Sirians and Arcturians and Pleiadians wanted it for themselves and the Dracos did as well, so, they’ve been fighting over it ever since.
Androids and Cyborgs
(1:31:00) DANIEL: And what about cyborgs? Were they used as personal slaves in these colonies?
JOHN: If you’re very, very rich, yes. Your average person doesn’t have access to any slavery, and in fact, the average Breakaway citizen doesn’t even know that the slavery is happening. It only happens openly in a few very elite colonies where they don’t allow cameras or anything.
DANIEL: I see. So, you were not one of the people who owned cyborgs.
JOHN: No. I wouldn’t even begin to know even where you would go to get one, much less how I would be able to afford it.
DANIEL: What about androids that have no organic material in them? Is it true that they also exist in the Breakaways?
JOHN: Yeah, I think the Japanese actually invented these drones that will fly up and down skyscrapers and clean the windows and . . .
DANIEL: Oh, but I mean human-like. I heard there were slaves as well that even performed carnal duties, let us say.
JOHN: Yeah, those exist, but I’ve never seen one that didn’t have some genetic component. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but all the one’s I’ve seen who performed carnal duties or whatever, who were slaves, they had a genetic component. But for very simple tasks, like washing windows or sweeping the streets or things like that, there were just robots.
DANIEL: And the problem, I think, is that robots can get so complex that they even have organic-looking tissue while still not being organic, and at some point they can even bleed: is that true?
APOLLYMI: Yeah, there are certain AIs out there for androids that they eat food, they digest food, they get energy from the food, they can have kids if the creator programs them to do so. It’s artificial organic tissue, basically, that allows the functions to do quite a lot of the same things. Although everything has a breakdown period, so these guys have to still have maintenance, like every— however long that it takes to break down. I’ve been in one of these bodies; I’ve been consciously transferred to one of these bodies. It took a little while to get used to it, but honestly, I really didn’t find it any different than a human body: just with a little bit different mechanics. The battery source that they have is very intricate and very powerful, and it can actually house consciousness, which is pretty awesome, I feel, ‘cause consciousness comes very easily to this universe. Well, not just this universe, but in general.
Social Classes, Slavery, Religions
(1:49:00) DANIEL: Going back to the Breakaways, John, can you briefly cover the levels of the caste system and why is it so hard to advance in it?
JOHN: Going from top to bottom, there’s essentially five classes. At the top are the elite, like the ultra-bourgeois. They’re like corporate shareholders, celebrities, generals, entrepreneurs, people like that. They’re at the very top, and they live in the lap of luxury. They’re the ones who have cyborg slaves. They have their own colonies that no one is really allowed to go to, except, sometimes, the military; and that’s how I knew about them, was because I made diplomatic visits to a couple of really elite colonies.
Below them you have like white-collar professionals. These are like small-business owners, highly paid scientists: basically, anyone who runs a small company is in that category.
Below them is officer class, which does not include generals and admirals: they’re at the top of the military, so they’re at the very top. This includes just like other officers. They live pretty comfortably as well, but they trapped in military contracts for the rest of their lives.
DANIEL: And they have limited transport compared to the elites.
JOHN: Yes. And then below them are— I believe in the Breakaway they still use the term, merchant class, which I was as a diplomat. That also includes low-rank military, low-rank government employees, lawyers, doctors, blue-collar workers—those sorts of people. And archeologists, which I also— one of my alters is also an archeologist. That’s where you find around 95 percent of colonists, is in that merchant class.
And then at the very bottom are the slaves. And I know you asked me how hard it is being a slave, and it depends on what type of a slave you are. If you are an industrial slave who’s in a mining colony or a manufacturing colony, or something like that, your life sucks. If you are a slave for the elite, like, let’s say you clean their house or something, then physically you’re going to be okay. Like, you still have no rights, legally, whatsoever, but you’re at least not too uncomfortable physically most of the time.
DANIEL: But some don’t even have the basic amenities of life.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of the Breakaway elite practice a variant of the Norse religion that involves human sacrifice. And they don’t want the karma of actually killing a person, so the people who get sacrificed are resurrected using regen tech. And a lot of the slaves will actually try to sell themselves as sacrifices so that they can then be regenerated and be in good health, because otherwise, they don’t have any kind of access to that technology. It’s really screwed up.
Black goo
(2:05:30) DANIEL: And, John, I was curious about whether you witnessed black goo in the colonies. And how prevalent was it, and was it limited to the Germans or were there other users?
JOHN: Everyone’s using it: human, Draco, whatever. They all are using it, and it’s not just German humans, either.
DANIEL: So, more than just the elites; more castes than the elites.
JOHN: Yeah. It’s very expensive on the black market. It’s technically illegal, even for the elite, but, of course, all the elite have it, and some of the non-elite can get it on the black market.
DANIEL: The officer class have to drink it in a lot of cases.
JOHN: Yeah, that, too. I was forbidden from [using] it, actually, because, being a diplomat, I had to have my empathic abillities intact.
APOLLYMI: I just wanted to talk more about what black goo does. Because I’m pretty sure I’ve been injected with it before on some of my missions, but I had an avatar body.
DANIEL: It’s classically known for making you smarter, faster, stronger, but at the expense of your emotions. So you no longer have your human emotions—only fear and anger, I think.
JOHN: It makes you into a terminator, basically.
Is Earth a Protectorate?
(2:07:30) DANIEL: And John, do you know whether Earth is a protectorate, and who is in charge?
JOHN: Ultimately, no one is in charge. There are a few who claim ownership of the land itself, but there are so many factions who have a presence here, and they all have a little piece of the pie. Ultimately, no one group is in control. As for it being a protectorate, we are protected; I don’t know if the documents call us a protectorate.
DANIEL: Probably some old-time rules made by the seeders back hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Vega is a star in the Lyra constellation. The star’s original name, Wega, was a loose transliteration of waqi, which means “falling” or “swooping” in Arabic and refers to a falling or swooping eagle. In ancient Egypt and India, the Lyra constellation was depicted as a falling eagle.
Vega compared to Earth’s sun
Vega is the fifth brightest star in the night sky and second brightest star in the northern hemisphere, after Arcturus. It is bluish-white and is approximately 25 light-years from Earth. It is 40 times as luminous as the sun, and is one of the most luminous stars in the vicinity of our solar system, along with Sirius and Arcturus.
The patch [on the school uniform] was the solar system around this star. It had the blue star of Vega, and it had a huge Earth-like planet, which was where we were, and a couple of other ones, and it also showed the two moons of Vega Prime, ’cause those also have stuff on them. And the uniforms, they were black three-piece suits—they looked like they were from the 1920s or ’30s—and we had neckties that were pale green with gold stripes.
“Vegans don’t look anything like Lyrans; they’re blue-skinned humans. They look basically like the Hindu god, Krishna. Incidentally, don’t ever call a Vegan a Lyran.” – John Whitberg (https://youtu.be/iWX_DWi3cLY 10:00 min.)
(1:45) I have what I call the anchor memory, [the one] that never went away. When I discovered this side of reality, that was the first one that I interrogated, that made me realize I was a part of this, where I’m lying in bed, I’m six years old, and this portal opens in the wall, and this woman—I’m not sure if she was an alien or if she was a German woman who genetically modified, because she was like ten feet tall—and she stepped through this portal in my bedroom wall. She had on a Nazi uniform and I couldn’t move at all. And I was frozen in place, and then I got picked up and levitated through this portal.
Veronica Bartolini: How about in school: were you tested in school? Did you get blood taken every six months like some of us did? Were you in special classes?
John: Yeah, I’ve had memories; I do know my blood was taken a lot.
(4:30) After I got pulled through this portal and all of that, at some point I don’t remember the phase where I transitioned from being levitated through this portal to suddenly I was in the back of an armored military vehicle with a bunch of other kids. And they weren’t all Americans, by the way. There were two girls who were speaking Chinese in there and there was— I remember one boy who was speaking Spanish. Anyway, so there were kids from all over the place, and we went to Cheyenne Mountain base [Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Base, Colorado Springs, Colorado]. And that’s where the memories of that are very faint. I’m sure I was on drugs, I’m sure I was being hypnotized constantly. I was in some sort of a a fugue state, where like I was very aware psychically, but on a physical level, like I couldn’t even dress myself.
Dissociative fugue (psychogenic fugue, or fugue state) presents as sudden, unexpected travel away from one’s home with an inability to recall some or all of one’s past.
And I know there was a lot of testing that’s done, like seeing if I could open portals, seeing if I could levitate stuff, and it was discovered that my two true talents were technology interfacing and interspecies communication telepathically. And so those were the things I wound up doing.
(6:45) But from there, the actually clear memories begin at the end of that phase, where all of us kids walked through this portal to, well, this facility was somewhere on the North Pole of the moon. ‘Cause I remember, we got into this shuttle immediately after going there. We walked straight through the portal and we just walked right to this shuttle. And we got on. I looked out the window, and it went up, and these doors opened overhead, and looking down, you could see the North Pole of the moon and Earth off in the distance. And so, this shuttle took us to a mother-ship, and they opened a worm-hole, and we went to Vega Prime.
(8:00) Combine this, the Vega-Prime stuff, with my Solar Warden stuff, and you’ll get about 80 percent of my memories.
So, Vega Prime, there was this colony called New Munich (pop. 30 million – Editor). It was a human German colony, and it also had a Japanese population and a Greek population. So, I remember getting off the drop-ship there, and we were in this like— it was in this hangar-bay type of thing on the top level of a skyscraper, so it was like, I guess like a space port. (There was also an American colony, which had 10 million when John lived there. – Ed.)
We got off; we were saluted by a long row of soldiers, ’cause we were— and there was some sort of banner up saying something about how they were like welcoming the next generation.
Veronica Bartolini: Did the banner have something on there?
No, it was just a yellow banner with black letters on it. There was a big red carpet that had a Schwarze Sonne—the Black Sun symbol.
Tall white aliens helped U.S. Naval Intelligence to understand how to use looking-glass technology, and ended up in charge of these programs designed to alter Earth’s timeline to bring in the New World Order. There were Germans involved in Project Looking Glass, but they were possibly Paperclip Nazis and not Nacht Waffen. (starting at 14 minutes https://youtu.be/1lOUk-Kv0so)
And the heads of the projects, their direct bosses are usually the tall whites. – John Whitberg
17:00 They’re humanoid. Their skin is as white as a piece of paper. Throughout much of their adult life they’re the same height as I am, five-eleven to six feet tall. They have large eyes. Their eyes are perhaps twice as large as ours. They’re typically blue, blue (Iris) with white (sclera), although when they get older, especially the men, their eyes take on a pink shade.
Their eyes stretch farther around the sides of their head than human eyes do, and their ears and noses are only about half the size of human ears and noses. Their ears lie back along the side of the head more than a human ear.
Their lips are not as prominent as humans, and they don’t have teeth. They just have ridges, because they’re plant-eaters—they don’t eat meat.
They have much less hair than we do: they don’t have any hair on their arms and the men don’t have beards. On their head, they have only about half as much hair as humans, and their hair is so thin and transparent that they appear to be platinum blonde. Sometimes when they keep their hair cut short, sometime they don’t appear to have hair because it’s so thin.
Their body structure is more frail than ours. The alien whose CIA name was Range Four Harry, for example, one time I saw him walking in the soft dirt over on the southwest side of the Range 3 lounge, and after he had left, I went over and measured the depth of the footprints he left. And from those I estimated that he only weighed between 90 and 110 pounds, even though he was the same height as I am.
Their arms, their bones, are only about half as big as ours. Their thumbs are only about half as long, but their fingers are longer in proportion to their hand than ours, and they’re way more flexible. But it also means that they’re not built for heavy lifting. We’re built like gorillas compared to them.
They have men, women and children. And if the men and women are standing side-by-side, and not walking or moving, it’s frequently not possible to tell which one is the man and which one is the woman, especially for the young adults. When they get older, then there are obvious differences in the facial structure and the bones and stuff. But especially for the young adults, it’s entirely possible for two of them to be standing side-by-side, and if they’re not moving, to be not sure if you’re talking to men or women. Once they start moving, though, then it’s very obvious which ones are the men and which ones are the women, because the men are more like human men. When they walk, they kind of go ‘pound, pound, pound’, whereas the women are much lighter on their feet and much more animated.
21:30 The women were very proud of the fact that they love their children. If a tall white lady came, and she had children with her, a very common way for her to start a conversation would be for her to ask me, using English, which she had learned: do I understand that they love their children more than human women love their children?
In many ways, the tall white women were like female gorillas. You should consider the children to be untouchable. If you touch the children, the mother might kill you, no matter how pleasant she seemed, no matter how close the child came.
28:36 The tall whites live approximately ten times as long as humans. And they don’t age the way we do. Throughout most of their adult life, they’re about our height—5’10”, 5’11”, 6′. But then when they reach the equivalent of a human who’s perhaps 39 or 40 years old—and for them that’s perhaps 400 years old—then they start growing again, instead of ageing the way we do. As they grow older, they go through several more growth periods. Pretty soon, they get very tall—8, 8 1/2, feet tall—but their organs aren’t able to support their body, so as they get taller they become more fragile. Eventually, after 600 or 700 years, there comes a growth phase, where they begin growing again, and their organs can’t support it, in which case they die. By the time they get to be 8 feet tall, they’re fragile, and usually, aliens that tall are accompanied by younger aliens to steady them.
New Arrivals Every Month
13:00 The base that they have up in Area 54, they use that base the same way that the U.S. Air Force or the U.S. Navy uses their bases, the way the Navy would use a base in the Philippines or on an island in the Pacific.
At the alien base, the tall whites’ deep-space craft arrive and leave on schedule. And they arrive typically at sundown on the night of the full moon, because they’re gravity-powered. They are typically at the base for two weeks, and then they leave at midnight on the night of the new moon, because they’re gravity-powered. During those two weeks, the spacecraft is refuelled and repaired, and the people on board get off and stretch their legs.
So, at the base there’s a more or less permanent contingent of tall whites, who are experienced in dealing with humans and who typically know English. On the other hand, every two weeks, every time a deep-space craft arrives, there’s a contingent of new arrivals, many of whom have never seen humans before. And while the spacecraft is being repaired and refurbished, then the experienced troops, the experienced tall whites, typically take those new arrivals who are brave enough, take them out and show them the town. You take them out and show them what humans are like, and, of course, me running my weather station, I’m the test-human. And so it was common every time there was a new moon, after the new arrivals had rested up, for an experienced guard to bring around a group of new arrivals. The number of new arrivals could be anywhere from two or three to twenty, depending on how many were brave enough to come watch gorilla Charlie in the sage brush, (during the time) the spacecraft was being repaired.
They also had a technology-exchange program with the U.S. Air Force, in which those technologies that they were willing to share with the Air Force, they would work on joint projects with the U.S. Air Force. They were only willing to share technology to the extent it benefitted them.
[Repost of an article published on November 18, 2004] I recently received a message from one of Dr Richard Boylan’s lists discussing his views on the tall whites discussed in Charles Hall’s memoirs, Millennial Hospitality, vol 1-3. (the message is copied below). I find it quite disturbing that Boylan has moved quickly to unambiguously promote the tall whites discussed in the Charles Hall book to his various lists. Since Boylan has large lists and therefore has some influence in shaping the perceptions of a quite a number of people about different ET races, I’d like to elaborate a little on the tall whites and Boylan’s advocacy of them.
Let me also reaffirm my earlier view that Hall’s information is an accurate reflection of what occurred at Nellis Air Force base during his tour of duty and therefore deserves serious attention. The researcher Paolo Harris has thoroughly investigated Hall’s claims and finds him to be credible making this an important case to fully understand in terms of its exopolitical significance.
Hall describes the tall whites as quite intimidating in terms of behavior and how they regularly stalked military servicemen on duty at the remote desert location where Hall served. The tall whites regularly caused powerful emotions of fear and even terror among the military servicemen who didn’t understand these extraterrestrials or weren’t ready to interact with them in a friendly way.
I’ve now completed the first two volumes of Hall’s memoirs, and so far the behavior of the tall whites strikes me as very similar to abductee/experiencer reports of the behavior of the tall gray category of ETs. There is an arrogance in the disposition of the tall whites and a contempt for humans displayed in their interactions with military servicemen who didn’t understand them or were frightened by them. This is similar to how so-called tall grays supervise many abductions and control/punish humans who resist the genetic experiments.
Hall for example describes one tall white female who wanted to kill a military servicemen who unknowingly had hit her child with a stone and broke the child’s arm. The serviceman threw a stone at what he thought was a white dog stalking him around his hut. Since the tall whites often stalked the servicemen, many thought they were wild animals and they were quite frighened of them. The incident led to the tall whites threatening the serviceman with death if he didn’t leave immediately and promise to never return. This is how the serviceman in question described the incident to Hall:
“I tried to reason with her. I told her that I hadn’t broken any little boy’s arm and that I liked to play with kids. She wouldn’t hear any of it. She told met that I was too stupid to know what I had done. Then she told me that the American generals had asked that I be given one warning before she and her friends killed me. She said that this was the warning. She said that if I ever came back out to the ranges alone, their captain would kill me.” (vol 1, p. 247)
Other servicemen had similar negative encounters with the tall whites. One incident in particular is very revealing since it involved a cook at the Army Base who inadvertly went into the kitchen area on a day that the base was closed. He was threatened with death because he simply frightened some of the tall white children. So there’s weren’t any broken bones or hurting of the children: he simply scared them. Here’s how Charles Hall described the incident as the cook narrated what happened:
“They’re back there, Charlie. Don’t go back there. You’ll scare them like I did. They’ll kill you if you scare them. They told me so. That tall one in the corner, he told me so. He said he’d kill me if I ever scared their children again.” (vol 1, p. 469)
Boylan makes a point in his post below about the tall whites using 8″ microwave stun guns to incapacitate people. But stunning humans is not the tall white practice, as revealed in the following section where an alien female is talking to an Air Force general about how Charles Hall saved her daughter:
“You know general, before now, I would have never thought it possible. If my daughter had tried to approach any of the others the way she walked right up to Charlie today, they would have panicked and we would have had to kill them all.” (vol 1, p. 452)
If the tall whites are so humane with their stun guns, why would they have to kill all the panicking soldiers, rather than just stun them as Boylan claims?
Charles Hall saved the life of a tall white child whose mother was a teacher, and subsequently he became known as the teacher’s pet in a project she started to get alien children used to humans. This is how the teacher introduced Charles to the mothers of some alien children:
“This is Charlie Baker,” the teacher said proudly. “He is just perfect for my pet project. See how gentle he is, and see how easily we can control him” (vol 1, p. 448).
So it’s clear how controlling these tall white ETs are, and the condescending attitude they have for even those humans who have done them a service. Nevertheless, the fact that the aliens adopted Hall as their pet made them protective of him in the lawless environment of the military base. Following a security drill in which guards drew their weapons on a serviceman claiming to be the teacher’s pet, a tall white known as Harry warned the men that he would kill anyone who threatened “the real teacher’s pet,” i.e., Charles Hall.
Harry said the real teacher’s pet is too valuable for us to ever draw our guns on him. He said if the real teachers’s pet were ever killed, he could never be replaced. Old Harry said that if Sam and me had been facing the real teacher’s pet, once we actually pointed our guns at him or once he fell to the ground, both of use would have been killed instantly, before we were even aware that we were bing fired on. He said those were the direct orders he’d received from the teacher. He said both Sam and me would have been killed without warning and that neither of our guns would have ever fired. (vol 2. 179)
Yet despite having saved the teacher’s child and being ‘the teacher’s pet’, Hall would not be spared if he inadvertently hurt an alien child, as evidenced by what an alien mother said to her son in front of Hall:
“All right,” replied his mother. “You may join the teacher’s pet project. Remember: do not get too close to him. And remember, if anything ever goes wrong, if Charlie ever touches you, I will ask your uncle Harry to kill him.” (vol 1, p.449)
Hall was also threatened with death if he interfered with the plans of the tall whites, as he described in the following conversation with an alien who was guarding an alien procession while Hall was present:
Then the guard said forcefully, “You know that if anything goes wrong with this plan we can kill you any time we want to.” Standing my ground still shaking in fear, I replied, “Yes, but I havent’ given you any reason to kill me. Anyway, you haven’t killed me yet so you are probably not going to.” The guard smiled and replied, “You are quite right. We could have killed you in the shack the other night if we wanted to.” Then he turned and walked back to the procession. Stopping for a minute near the shorter woman he said: “See? Now he knows for sure that we will kill him if anything ever goes wrong.” (vol 2, p. 113)
Finally, if there is any doubt in the reader’s mind as to whether the tall whites actually killed humans who got in their way, here’s a section describing what one sergeant told another after accompanying a lieutenant general to a high-level meeting with the aliens:
Tell them [a group of sergeants] to remember the teacher has ordered them to stay out of sight behind the lounge. Remember, if they disobey the teacher’s orders, she will kill them as she killed the others, and there is nothing I can do about it. (vol 1, p. 447)
So here we have a very brutal doctrine of killing military servicemen who disobey orders, and proof that this has occurred in the past.
Hall said he learned very little about the origin of the tall whites during his two-year assignment. “They really shared very little about their history and origins,” he recalls. However, one incident took place with a tall white he called the teacher, which revealed they may have come from near the star Arcturus, about 36 light years away.
Arcturus is a red giant star located 36.7 light-years from Earth. It’s the 4th-brightest star in the sky and the brightest in the northern hemisphere. Arcturus is the alpha star of a constellation called Boötes the Herdsman.
In one of his books, he wrote, “A ripple of emotion passed through the crowd when I mentioned the star, Arcturus. After a short pause, the older lady asked with some surprise, ‘Teacher, does Charlie know where we come from?’
“The alien replied: ‘No, not quite; but he’s close.” (vol 2, p. 147)
The usual story of the Philidelphia Experiment is that Edward and Duncan Cameron traveled through time from the USS Eldridge in Philadelphia Harbor to the Monauk Air Force Station on Long Island, New York, arriving at 0200 hours on August 12, 1983.
In this video, Al Bielek tells what really happened to him and Duncan after they jumped overboard. After falling for a few minutes, they lost consciousness. They woke up in a hospital in 2137, where they spent the next four weeks recovering from radiation burns. There, they learned that disasters had left much of the U.S. coastline under water, and that the Mississippi River had become a 50-mile-wide causeway. (For details on how this was supposed to occur, read NASA’s 2001 warfare strategy, “The Future is Now” – https://stopthecrime.net/docs/nasa-thefutureof-war.pdf)
California tumbles into the sea
That’ll be the day I go back to Annandale
I tried to warn ya about Chino and Daddy G
(China Lake NWS and George Bush Sr.?)
But I can’t seem to get to you through the U.S. mail – Steely Dan, “My Old School,” Countdown to Ecstasy (1973)
In addition, there is another story within this story. During the brothers’ hospital stay in 2137, Edward was taken to the year 2749, where he lived for two years, until 2751. In this era, there were no nations, only city-states, and these were all governed by interconnected computers known as The Lama. Although most people were satisfied with life, due to the fact that they were treated like children they were not advancing individually or as a race.
The humans who had set up this experiment called themselves The Wingmakers. They were the ones responsible for leaving a warning to humanity in a cavern in New Mexico, and six other locations, in the year 800 A.D.
After he had been in the 28th century for two years, The Lama informed Edward that he had to go back, and it sent him to the hospital where he and Duncan were staying in 2137. From 2137, the brothers were sent to Montauk Station in 1983, where they met Dr. von Neumann.
“I.G.Y.” (International Geophysical Year), Donald Fagen, The Nightfly (1982)
On that train, all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
More leisure for artists everywhere A just machine to make big decisions Programmed byfellowswith compassion and vision We’ll be clean when their work is done We’ll be eternally free, yes, and eternally young
What a beautiful world this will be
What a glorious time to be free
What a beautiful world this will be
What a glorious time to be free
In the spring of 1982, when he was nine years old, Tony Rodrigues was abducted by the Illuminati. He was put into a what was euphemistically called a career return program, and treated as chattel for thirty years.
Rodrigues was first taken to Inyokern Airport in California near China Lake Naval Weapons Center, where between April 1992 and Jan. 1983, he and other children were subjected to an MK-ULTRA torture program called Monarch, which included drugging, electric shocks, the breaking and dislocation of bones, rape and suffocation to the point of death. Josef Mengele was known to be at China Lake NWC (he used the name, Dr. Green), and was last seen alive in 1987 (https://www.henrymakow.com/mk-ultra_slave_recalls_torture.html).
“I thought you were all going to become Monarch sex slaves,” the doctor told us. But our group did pass, and we would be used for a much higher purpose. Apparently we were qualified for the theta class, which meant we were going into psychic service. From that point forward, I was allowed to sleep, and that was the end of the movies and the torture.
After spending a few weeks on an island in Seattle, Washington, where he was forced to participate in a Luciferian child sacrifice, the CIA flew Rodrigues to Peru to work for cocaine smugglers as a psychic.
One time I woke up when they were unloading the cargo at Santa Marta, Colombia. I remember being at that airport several times. It was always tense. We were carrying two tons of cocaine and we were an unregistered aircraft.
By late 1985, when he was thirteen, Rodrigues had become extremely sick from the trance-inducing drugs the CIA was giving him. A call was made to his owner and his contract was cancelled. The CIA flew him back to the United States. He was taken on the underground levitron train to the island in Seattle, where he was forced to entertain elites at pedophile parties for nearly three years.
In 1988, when he was sixteen, Rodrigues was sent off-planet for a pilot program to create genetically enhanced slave soldiers. This program involved the United States military, but the military was clearly serving the German breakaway civilization, an empire whose space fleet is known as the Nacht Waffen. From the casual way in which Rodrigues was transferred among the Illuminati, the CIA, the U.S. military and the Germans, it’s evident that by the 1980s, the German breakaway civilization controlled Earth. This is one of the emblems used by the Nacht Waffen, or Dark Fleet:
Nacht Waffen emblem
In his autobiography, Rodrigues recounts his last days on Seattle’s pedophile island and the callous way he was taken off the planet at age sixteen:
Then they took me into the back of the van. They had me lie down and gave me an injection. That was my last memory of being a permanent resident on Earth during what I would come to learn is called a career return program.
Go Further With Douglas
First in Aviation
Douglas Logo from 1940s
Douglas Aircraft Company and McDonnell Aircraft Corporation were officially merged on April 28, 1967 as the McDonnell Douglas Corporation (MDC). Rodrigues states that the Douglas-only logo was embroidered on the seats of spacecraft that took him to the moon in the 1980s. This suggests that there were space shuttles to the moon before 1967.
The Air Force flew Rodrigues to the moon for genetic enhancement, and from the moon he was sent to a forward operating base on Mars to combat native Martians. Though the U.S. military ran the base, it seems to have been a mercenary force for the German corporations that owned Aries Prime, a mostly-human colony.
The pilot program was cancelled after the other children on Rodrigues’s team were torn to pieces by Martian insectoids; he was the only survivor. He was then sent to the Aries Prime colony for an aptitude test and vocational training.
In 1989, at the age of seventeen, Rodrigues was taken to another German settlement called Ceres Colony Corporation. He served as a repairman on a Blitzbus ship from 1990-1997, and as a cargo engineer on a merchant ship from 1998-2001. At one point the Germans loaned him to aliens for another ten years of labor, but they time-regressed him and didn’t count this against his twenty-year indentureship.
In 2001, after thirty years of slavery, Rodrigues was age-regressed and returned to his chldhood home in Michigan, on the same spring night in 1982 on which he had been taken.
Tony Rodrigues, the day after he was returned by the Illuminati
Rodrigues, Tony (2021). Ceres Colony Cavalier: A True Account of One Man’s Twenty-Year Abduction. Purchase here: https://www.tonyrodrigues.com/
LIVE with JESSIE CZEBOTAR on Underground Cities: Emerald City, Mars, Valhalla and Ragnarok (October 19, 2022)
Since before her birth, the Brotherhood System designated Jessie Czebotar to be the queen mother of darkness. She chose instead to follow Christ, and she has become a Christian teacher and a witness against the Luciferians.
In this talk with Aquarius Rising, Jessie discusses four underground cities used by the Luciferians and the Nazi-infiltrated U.S. military. She talks about the elites’ homes and their entryways to the underground and to other worlds or dimensions. She also reveals that television personality Oprah Winfrey is a Luciferian high priestess overseeing the Western Quadrant.
The Masonic orders:
1. The Order of Melchizedek
2. The Order of the Phoenix
3. The Order of the Golden Dawn
The world governing council has several names, and two of these are:
The Satanic Council and The Druidic Council
The four Luciferian societies are:
1. The Society of Jesus (Jesuits) of the Roman Catholic Church
2. Kaballah
3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church)
This is Jessie’s first public interview. Dan Duval is a Christian webcaster who covers esoteric subjects such as the Luciferian Brotherhood and extraterrestrials. https://youtu.be/3ydBIn-wYP0
Dan Duval interviews Jessie for the first time on the subject of the structure of the Illuminati. Jessie was a hierarchy child who was trained from a young age to take over for her grandmother as the queen mother of darkness in the Luciferian Brotherhood. It was expected that she would perform the Luciferian rituals that would usher in the New World Order.
Through the redeeming power of Jesus Christ, she was delivered from this role before her grandmother could initiate her; however, she took away with her unique knowledge regarding the structure of the system, knowledge that she wants the world to know. Get ready to take notes and learn, as this brave woman puts forth secret information about the structure of the world’s most powerful evil organization.
Jessie Czebotar
Christian webcaster Dan Duval
Cathy Fox is an investigative journalist who covers child trafficking and child sexual abuse; she has written extensively about Jessie’s revelations. The following outline of the Luciferian Brotherhood System is from her article, “Obama is now running the Satanic Council”
Gloria Vanderbilt with her sons, Anderson and Carter Cooper; she was the grand high priestess of the Eastern Quadrant.
It may help to explain that Soros was the head seat, the phoenix, of the Illuminati’s Satanic Council since approximately 1960. However, Soros has stepped down as phoenix; he was replaced by Barack Obama.
The Satanic Council is sometimes called the Druidic Council. My article The Five Child trafficking Networks of the Illuminati[3] outlined a structure for the whole illuminati.
The Luciferian Brotherhood can best be compared to a corporation. The Satanic Council is like the board of directors, usually men who deal with the financial and operational decisions for their territory. The positions on the Satanic Council are called seats, and members represent one of four quadrants.
The Satanic Council is large. Bilderberg, EU, UN, 13 Illuminati family heads—plus four representatives from each Illuminati family who rotate—as well as others invited to sit on the council. There are probably more than 500 members worldwide. Four meetings are required a year; one of them is the Bilderberg meeting.
Attendees are in positions of power in their public lives—e.g., business executives, bankers, powerful public officials.
Lower-level meetings that are apparently legitimate, but in fact implement Satanic Council policies, are those of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Middle-level meetings are the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA) and Davos (see The confidential list of everyone attending the 2020 World Economic Forum in Davos [9] ).
There are four quadrants, and each quadrant in the United States has a corresponding territory outside of the U.S.
Each quadrant has bloodline-family representation on the Satanic Council. Each bloodline councilmember also has his own territory within his quadrant. For example, the du Pont family controls the state of Delaware, as well as ruling over the Southern Quadrant).
West: Blue Dragons (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Ford)
South: Red or Black Dragons (du Pont)
East: Gold Dragons (Van Duyn)
North: White or Green Dragons (Lee, Collins, Freeman)
The bloodline families rule over both the U.S. and international quadrants; however, some family members may rule in the U.S. and others internationally. For example, Elon Musk’s father ruled over the Western Quadrant internationally, while Elon ruled over the Western Quadrant of the U.S. Again, Jacob Rothschild ruled over an international quadrant, while his son ruled over a U.S. quadrant.
There are five mothers of darkness, and each one oversees a U.S. quadrant and its corresponding international quadrant.
A mother of darkness confers every evening with Lucifer (as well as other demonic entities), and then issues his instructions to Satanic councilmembers who are responsible for her particular quadrant. The councilmembers in turn issue instructions to the grand high priests/priestesses beneath them, and each of the grand high priests/priestesses instructs the high priests/priestesses and others in his or her quadrant. This is how they manage their criminal enterprises.
Grand High Priests and Priestesses
Chateau des Amerois, Belgium
In the U.S. there are four grand high priests/priestesses—one for each quadrant. There are another four grand high priests/priestesses outside of the U.S. Beneath each grand high priest/priestess, there are eight high priests/priestesses waiting to compete for the position of grand high priest.
Singer Beyonce, actress Joan Collins and heiress Laurie Cabot-Kent are grand high priestesses.
Beyonce took over from Gloria Vanderbilt as grand high priestess for the Eastern quadrant after winning a witches’ battle at Mothers of Darkness Castle in Belgium (see above).
Laurie Cabot-Kent lives in Salem, Mass., has a witches’ shop, owns Chateau des Amerois (the Mother of Darkness Castle in Belgium), and is said to be connected to the Duke of Kent
Joan Collins, actress, of the Collins bloodline. (Collins spied on the American saint, Lester Levenson)
The chain of command is:
5 mothers of darkness (presided over by the queen mother of darkness, also known as the crone)
Satanic Council, also known as the Druidic Council
The black pope residing in the City of London; the white pope of the Vatican
4 grand high priests or priestesses in the United States, and 4 outside of the United States.
5 religious departments – Mormons, Roman Catholics, Satanists, Freemasons, Kabbalah
[I will add here that the Muslim Brotherhood is clearly a Luciferian department.]
Marie-Hélène de Rothschild
Council of Nine and Council of Thirteen
The Councils of Nine and the Council of Thirteen are within the Satanic Council. The Councils of Nine are at the top of the Luciferian Brotherhood, and the Councils of Thirteen are beneath them. However, members of the Council of Nine also sit on the Council of Thirteen.
Each quadrant has a Council of Nine, so there are 36 members altogether. The 36 are never summoned to a meeting at the same time, but instead rotate for assemblies. The members of each quadrant decide who will represent them when they are summoned. Those particular members of the Councils of Nine can serve a lifetime, showing up to every assembly.
The Chinese Elders are best considered honored family heritage positions: most are passed down within the family lines.
The sisters of light
The sisters of light are the elite security team of the Illuminati. Unlike the protectors and assassins, who engage in combat on the physical and spiritual planes, the sisters of light engage in psychological or spiritual warfare. There are thirteen sisters of light for each U.S. quadrant, and thirteen for each of the four world quadrants.
The brides of Satan serve as Satan’s consorts — they don’t have an organizational role in the system.
Departments
There can be up to six religious orders, called departments, in each territory. Each department has its own hierarchy, but it is overseen by the Satanic Council.
Masonic orders (Order of Melchizedek, Order of the Phoenix, Order of the Golden Dawn)
Catholics
Kabbalah
Satanists
Mormons (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or LDS)
Muslim Brotherhood
Bloodline families
The bloodline familes are like board members, and oversee the religious departments in their territory. (See Fritz Springmeir, Bloodlines of the Illuminati[14] ) They also ensure the rackets—e.g. drug trafficking and child trafficking—are running well. (See also Stewart Swerdlow, Blue Blood, True Blood: Conflict and Creation.)
Grand dames
A grand dame is usually under one of the grand high priestesses. She is not usually a high priestess, but she can be. Normally they are put in positions where they oversee high-level women programmed as Monarch sex slaves—they procure and groom these girls from a young age.
Grand dames are comparable in level to goddesses, the women who lead witches’ covens. They are considered managers of the religious departments. This is congruent with what Fiona Barnett has said. Fiona was groomed to be a successor to a grand dame, and gives some examples of her programming in this article: Alice in Wonderland and Wizard of Oz MK-ULTRA Programming Unpacked [6]
Druids are under high priests and priestesses. If the high priests are like lords of a land, the Druids are like the keepers of the farmers who work the land. They work for the high priest to oversee all the warlocks and witches in the Brotherhood. According to their level, they may be loners, practising their religion on their own; most, however, are connected to a group.
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