Epic Daniel Sala Interview with John Whitberg and Apollymi (1)

9.6 Trillion Breakaways

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John Whitberg was genetically engineered by Nazi interestes within the U.S. government; Draco reptilian DNA was spliced into his human DNA.  At the age of six, John was abducted from his bedroom and taken to Cheyenne Air Base, where his mind was fractured into multiple personalities.  His alters were subsequently exploited for decades of service by both Solar Warden—operated by the U. S. Navy—and the American Branch of Dark Fleet—also the Navy.  Solar Warden exploited one of John’s alters in a cloned body to work as a customs officer.  The Dark Fleet raised some alters of John from childhood in the Breakaway colonies, although some of his alters were “born” as personalities downloaded into an adult body. – The Editor

 

Alters and bodies

(2:50) DANIEL:  Let’s move on to John, who is not an ET hybrid, am I right?

JOHN:  No, I am.  In order to work with the Draco, because of their extreme psychic output, what they told me in the programs at least was you have to be at least 8 percent Draco; so, I was hybridized in-utero.

DANIEL:  And you were part of a newer generation where, in the creation of alters, they were more lenient and not as traumatic, right?  And they erase your memory and then download some artificial personality, am I right?  Can you go into that a little?

JOHN:  Uh, yeah.  Well, there are two ways of doing it.  When they use me in this body, which is what Dark Fleet does, they do erase my memory and they download an artificial personality onto it.  I’m not sure exactly how it works.  I remember being strapped down to a table with electrodes in my head, and I passed out, and when I woke up, I had this new personality and my abilities were activated and my implants were switched on and all that.

DANIEL:  And you were age-advanced to the age of 30, and you had no memories of your life before, right?

JOHN:  That was in Solar Warden; that’s a clone.  That’s [an entirely different situation].  But, yes, in Dark Fleet I have also had that happen [been memory-blocked and given a personality] in this body.

DANIEL:  So, all your alters are like that?

JOHN:  Yes, except for the ones who did grow up in the Breakaway.

 

Origin of the Breakaways.

(11:00) DANIEL:  Let’s get on to what first caught my attention about John’s articles, which is his knowledge about the history of the Breakaways. So, do you who founded the first Breakaway colonies? And whose initiative was it: was it the ETs or the humans?

JOHN:  I have a few names I suspect, like I suspect probably Tesla was involved. It was a combination of— it was mostly human initiative, and there were aliens they found who were willing to help.

A little background: in the early 1800s, early-to-mid 1800s, science was advancing a lot in Germany, in America and in Britain in particular.  And some of these people, I believe, were guided to find ancient Atlantean tech.  I’m not sure who guided them, but some of them were.  And so, some of these scientists from Germany, America, Britain, maybe Belgium, places like that, were finding this and reverse-engineering it.  And at the same point in time, the so-called spiritualists were making contact through seances with Inner-Earth Aryans, and they were receiving information about the broader universe.

So, in the 1840s—this is a story in and of itself—but I was sent on a mission back in time to get black goo samples on Mars.  And this was on Mars in 1840, and they were setting up the first Mars colony.  And they also told me they had colonies on the moon, on Titan, and I believe on Ceres, already in 1840.

DANIEL:  Wow. So, these are not the ones that have been [acquired] through time-travel—which we’ll get to later—the ones that were dying.  These were in real-time; they went in the 19th century and establised colonies off of Earth.

JOHN:  Yes.

DANIEL:  And also, on the moon and Titan, and how early did they establish the first ones outside this solar system?

JOHN:  I believe in around 1900, give or take a few years.

DANIEL:  I see.  And do you remember what was actually the purpose for your retrieval of black goo there?

JOHN:  Okay, there’s an ET species called the Rigelians; they look like four-foot-tall Asians.  And the Rigelians were studying it, so we wound up being the people who were on errands to go find it for them.  This was in the more modern era.  I don’t know the year that we got this assignment to go to Mars, but we discovered that in the modern era, all the black goo on Mars had already been mined away, so we had to go back in time.

 

Motives for ET involvement with Terrans

(15:00)  DANIEL:  Interesting.  So, Apollymi, do you think that helping the ETs in their wars was actually their biggest motive in taking the humans and maybe exchanging some technology for the service?

APOLLYMI:  In what time frame?

DANIEL:  Well, throughout history.  Do you think that this is their main motive for meddling with humans?  Is it helping them in their wars?

APOLLYMI:  It really depends on the agenda of the faction.  Some factions—again, with the whole seed planet—it’s just about creating a species, having it down here, and having it evolve for certain [purposes].  Because the evolution here, they can pick up the DNA here and then put their children or hybrid children into different planets that they may not be suited to—you know, for the gravity, the air type, everything.

DANIEL:  Yeah.

APOLLYMI:  And then they have certain evolutionary factors that they can pick out, whatever they need to survive.  There are other factions, obviously, that are using people for soldiers and for warriors and for the wars, but not all of them.  So, it really depends on the factions.  But humans are incredibly resilient; they highly adaptable in a short amount of time.

 

The Universal War

(16:30)  DANIEL:  Are you aware of any major ET wars going on in this section of the galaxy?

APOLLYMI:  There was the continuation of the Universal War, but that ended, I believe, in around— I’d have to consult my archives again, ’cause I was there at the meeting for the treaty between the Andromedan and Sirian Council and the Dark Draco Council since the Elders stepped in.  But that war has been calming down throughout the universe. Unfortunately, we are on the outskirts, and it takes awhile for the new ordinance laws to come through. But you’re starting to see a lot of the cleanup in this universe from that war between the Andromedans and the Sirians versus the Dark Council or the Dark Draco Council, Especially here on Earth. Here on Earth, they’re finally starting to clean everyone up out of it who was a native portion of that war.

DANIEL:  So, humans got involved, too.

APOLLYMI:  Humans got involved, too; they sure did.  And unfortunately, they were still a by-product of that war, and there’s still stuff going on behind the scenes.  The galactic community, it seems, is trying to gloss over the situation—“We’re going in the right direction,” and all—but there’s still a lot of cleanup that has to happen.

DANIEL:  And how old is this war, do you think?

APOLLYMI:  It was going on before my soul got here, and before my original body from Hinova got here, so pretty long.

DANIEL: And before we move on, this is something we discussed privately, but I was really piqued by it when I heard it. You mentioned that you actually have some information about the destruction of a huge percentage of the Pleiades by the reptilians. How come they’re missing a lot of their former stars?

Well, a lot of planets and a lot of stars ended up getting destroyed in this huge Universal War. You’ve got planets on both sides—both the territories of the Dark Draconians, Dark Council, and just throughout the entire universe. A lot of the super fighting ended up on the outskirts of everything. So, yeah. There was a just lot of devastation on both sides. And both sides are responsible for it, too, because I’m a neutral person. Fighting is fighting, and death is death—the morals of each side don’t matter, and both sides are equally guilty of contributing constantly to this war. They dragged everyone else into it, and that’s why they got in trouble with the overseer creators. Because this universe is just a leaf on the tree. So, there are greater creators out there than the ones that are responsible for this universe, and there are a lot of people who are in trouble right now.

JOHN: Apollymi, these reptilians who were attacking the Pleiades, were they Draco, or were they a different species?

APOLLYMI: That I’m not entirely sure. I just know they were reptilian and that they were working for the Dark Council. So, the Dark Council does not only accept reptilians on their team. They have Pleiadians, they have Arcturians, they have all sorts of people. They don’t treat them the same, because dragons and Draconians have this [superiority] complex, but a lot of species have that, but they do emply quite a few species.

JOHN: I can confirm some of what you said about the Pleiades, because a few months ago, one of our space stations, one of the German ones, was temporarily captured by a reptilian race. And I’m still not sure which one, but I was there; so, I can confirm that there was shit going down there

APOLLYMI: Yeah, and the Pleiades is actually one of the huge trade routes in the galactic universal trade-route system.

 

The Aryan ETs, Sometimes Called Nordics, Are From Aldebaran

DANIEL: So, getting back to the history side of things, John, you mentioned that a big part of what you did go back in time to negotiate setting up those colonies back in the 20th and 19th centuries. And you also mentioned that you saw Americans there, too, before WWI, and they were working together. Could you expand on that?

JOHN: Yeah. I mean, this is known history that Germany and America were very close allies before WWI. And even on Earth, there was a lot of scientific exchange between Germany and America, and a lot of immigrants going in both directions, too. So, before WWI, I mean, this whole concept that modern Americans have of Germany being someone to be suspicious of, that’s a very modern concept.

DANIEL: So, you’re not sure who the ETs were who afforded the humans the technology to go out in space before the First World War, but after that you said the Aldebarans were responsible, the Nordic Aryans, and they are also the ones who turned the Germans into racists, right?

JOHN:  Yeah. I’ve had encounters with them, not good encounters, and their thing is that blonde, blue-eyed people, the universe should be their plaything, basically, and every else is just scum.

DANIEL:  So they’re blonde themselves.

JOHN:  Yes.

DANIEL:  And do you know what prompted the switch from Aldebarans to the Draconians, in terms of German affiliation?

JOHN:  The Draconians had better stuff to offer.  It’s really not that exciting, it’s just that they just had more to offer. It was a better deal in general.  And in addition, the Aldebarans were only willing to work with white German people, and the Draco don’t really care, so that massively expanded the amount of people Germans could work with.

 

1952 Surrender Agreement with U.S. Government

(24:00)  DANIEL:  Yes. And you also mentioned that the delegation of German Breakaways returned on Earth in 1952, which led to the signing of the treaties with various governments, among which was the [one that offered]150,000 Americans every year to the Germans in exchange for some technology.  But you also were the first to list a few other governments, right?  A few other places on Earth that they did this exchange with.

JOHN:  Yes. I remember in that time-frame they did that with Argentina.  I remember the Argentine community on Mars, and they’re very wealthy.  The Argentines on Mars are pretty much the only people on Mars having a good time.  And I think they did it with Spain—

DANIEL:  The Middle East?

JOHN:  Yeah, the Middle East.  I remember Iranians in space, and I remember some Arabs—I’m not sure what country of origin they were.

DANIEL:  And you mentioned some Greeks.

JOHN:  Yeah; I’m not sure when they made the deal with the Greeks, but there was a Greek community in the Vega Prime colony where [what I believe is] my first alter grew up.

 

Languages of the Breakaways

DANIEL:  And this whole thing leads to the switch in the Breakaways from German to English as the main spoken language?

JOHN:  Yes.

DANIEL:  So, German is still being used, right?  But less.

JOHN:  Yes. It’s still a minority language.  And in the colonies where the German speakers are the majority, they are very proud of that, and if you try to speak English or any other language to them, they’ll act insulted.  But in most places, it’s English.

DANIEL  So, it’s like on Earth: you can get by with just English in most places.

JOHN:  Yeah.

 

Terran-ET Alliances

(34:00)  DANIEL:  Getting back to the human factions, the major ones, do you know who they are?  And what are their main ET counterparts, in terms of human SSPs (secret space programs)?

JOHN:  Solar Warden I know works with the Nordics (Aryan ETs).  I’m not sure which Nordics, ‘cause that’s a pretty common way for a species to look, for whatever reason.

DANIEL:  Tigetans are probably some of them.

JOHN:  Maybe, although the Tigetans are supposed to be pretty nice, and Solar Warden is not nice.  But they were not nice to me at all.  They were the ones who woke me up as an adult and just forced me to adapt.  They did not treat me well.  But that is possible.

And the main ally of the Dark Fleet, which is— The Dark Fleet is not just Germans: it’s all the various national factions who have colonies.  For example, there’s also Japanese Dark Fleet, there’s a Russian one, there’s a French one, there’s an Amrican one, etc.

DANIEL:  And these are all branches of the Dark Fleet?

JOHN:  Yes, and they all have colonies.  Their main ally is the Draconian Empire, but they do also work with tons of other species.

I’ve also done work with the CIA, and I remember spying on a lot of aliens when I was in the CIA, but I don’t remember any of the ones that they work with.

DANIEL:  Right. And those nationalities that you mentioned,

JOHN:  Tied for first place would be Germans and Americans.  Tied for second place would be Japanese and Russians.  And then after that, there are tons of people who have a few little colonies here and there.

DANIEL:  And how much collaboration is going on between these factions?

JOHN:  Well, there are three mercenary companies that will work for anyone who pays them.  There’s Kruger and Monarch and Shoreline, and they each bring their own thing to the table.  Monarch’s specialty is sex-slaves and bio-enhancements;  Kruger’s speciality is mercenary services, like if you don’t want to get your hands dirty; and Shoreline is security personnel.  And those three will work for literally anyone who will pay them.

There’s not much collaboration between the Dark Fleet and the various corporations, although there are some corporations that are actually subsidiaries of the Dark Fleet also.

DANIEL:  But they do have some joint projects, right, and some sharing of the accounting here and there?

JOHN:  Yeah, except Solar Warden doesn’t really cooperate with anyone: they don’t really like anyone.  They keep to themselves almost completely.  Except occasionally, they will agree to accept some hand-me-down technology from a more advanced group; but other than that, they do not trust anyone.

DANIEL:  And in terms of firepower, I would guess the Dark Fleet is the first, and then you will have the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate second?

JOHN:  Yeah.

DANIEL:  And then Solar Warden and the other ones.

JOHN:  Yes.

DANIEL:  And how much are they sparring?

JOHN:  I was never directly in combat, but from what I’ve heard about it, I know we clash. I know that in Dark Fleet they do have a lot of skirmishes with corporate groups and with various ET groups.  They clash with the Aldebarans on a pretty regular basis, actually; and they clash with certain reptilians who—  There are some reptilians, actually, who hate the Draco.  People think all reptilians work together; there are some who hate the Draco because the Draco think of themselves as the gods of the reptilians a lot of the time.

APOLLYMI:  That’s no joke!

JOHN:  Yeah. So, the Dark Fleet does fight with them some.  And there’s one really nasty grey species that— I’ve heard other people call them the Maitrea or something—

DANIEL:  Maytra.

JOHN:  Maytra, like that.  And I know that we clash with them in Dark Fleet.

DANIEL:  I know they have a taste for human flesh.

JOHN:  Yeah.

APOLLYMI:  Do they have a base on the moon, too?

JOHN:  I think possibly.  They have one on Mercury; they might have one on the moon.

 

Using Time-travel to Populate Colonies; Time Paradoxes

(52:30)  DANIEL:  John, you said that the moon of Saturn called Titan is inhabited by the German SSP for about 700 years, but that’s through time-travel, not normal linear time.

JOHN:  Right.

DANIEL:  And the reason for its importance is that it’s home to worm-holes, and that by now it has 14 million.  So, my question to you was, do you have any idea who first suggested this idea of supplementing the space settlements through people who were dead and dying in plagues and wars and such via time-travel?

JOHN:  I have no idea, honestly.

DANIEL:  Well, Penny says it was the Germans who were stepping inside their own time-loop, unwittingly.

JOHN:  Yeah, well, that, too; that did happen. . . . With respect to stepping into time-loops, sre you at all familiar with Norse mythology?

DANIEL:  Somewhat, yeah.

JOHN:  You know Jörmungandr, the serpent the wraps around the middle of the planet.

DANIEL:  Yeah, yeah.

JOHN: One of the oldest things they have, that’s older than the Norse religion, through time-travel, is a ring-world station called Jörmungandr. My theory is that it’s a time-loop, that they thought they were naming it after the myth, but actually the myth wound up being named after the space station.

 

ArtStation - Jörmungandr_ The world Snake, Edouard Groult

Edouard Groult — Jörmungandr, The World Snake https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XnPNVl

DANIEL:  Yeah. I think that’s how it works.  They had a ship called Valhalla, and they had shuttle-planes that were painted as horses.  Do you know how far back did they stretch this procedure in time?

JOHN:  I remember one batch of people who— we had just negotiated the colony and we were dropping them off, and they were wearing ancient Roman outfits, so I would say around 2,000 years, at least.

DANIEL:  And do you know if they ran into any problems?  Did this practice ever backfire on them?

JOHN:  They were mostly picking up people who would not be missed, like homeless or dying or ill people—

DANIEL:  Or freshly dead.

JOHN:  Yes, or freshly dead.  Very occasionally they might accidentally pick up someone who did end up being important, and then creating a minor paradox, but for the most part, it was pretty harmless to the timeline.

DANIEL:  And then they would just return those people.

JOHN:  Yeah, they could.  Yeah.

 

Time Police

(56:00)  DANIEL:  And Apollymi, do you know about beings that regulate time-travel in case you abuse it?

APOLLYMI:  There is a time police. They actually do time-travel. They are a faction that was founded in Norway and Sweden, if I remember correctly from my sources. And I have run into them a few times. They have the ability to ground people, which is making it so you can’t use your abilities for awhile. I got grounded for about a month. They don’t like people who have the ability to make black holes or to make wormholes or anything like that. They’re very strict about it, because every single time you have such an immense amount of power, it can create tears, it can create wormholes to areas—especially if you don’t know where you’re creating them to. It can let entities in here and other beings in that should not be here and they can just run amok. They’re kind of like the time version of the Andromedan Council’s Terra Guardians. The Terra Guardians are basically the Andromedans’ police officers for this world, where they’re supposed to help humanity, close portals, kick out entities that don’t belong, that sort of thing.

But as for this group, I don’t know if these guys from Scandinavia are just responsible for Earth of if they do more time work with the actual universe, or if they are just responsible for people who are from Earth.

DANIEL:  I’m sure they’re beholden to ETs who do more high-level time manipulation, and the guarding and whatever.  That would be my assumption.

 

Some Extraterrestrials View the Breakaways as a Violation of Universal Laws

(58:30)  DANIEL:  But what would you say that these high councils— what is their relationship with the Breakaway humans?  How do they view them—for example, as a pest, or an ally, or—  I think you mentioned six kingdoms.  What’s your take on what’s happening?

APOLLYMI:  So, there are six Draconian kingdoms; that’s another subject.  Some of the councils are upset that these humans are getting off of a seed-planet who obviously didn’t see ascension, that they are violating laws and rules that are from Source itself.  And a lot of them want to gather all of these people and at least bring them back into our solar system, for those who did not pass ascension correctly.  They got off Earth easy, they got into space-travel— and this includes this includes the people who did time manipulation as well, because some of them were authorized to do time manipulation.

And then a lot of the other ones, they just don’t care; they don’t mind getting more people out there.  This side of the universe that we’re in, again, is territory that is still new; we’re still kind of unclaimed, truly.  So, that’s also part of why the fighting came over here, because of territorial wars.

So, and that’s why you have Draconians owning some of the planets outside of our solar system and having bases in this area, because in normal territories you don’t have that.  If a territory is owned, you don’t see any Dark Draco bases over in Andromeda—that’s not going to happen.  There are sympathizers over there, but they can’t go over and claim a planet.  There is paperwork that the Universal Council has to do.

 

The last Dark Draco queen has been dealt with.

So, some of them accept [the Breakaways]; some of them are unhappy about it.  There was Universal Council meeting not too long ago where this was also discussed.  A lot of other things were discussed as well, such as what’s really going to be happening to this universe now that the main war has begun to die down, and obviously any uprisings that have happened lately have been crushed.  The last Dark Draco queen has been dealt with.  She wasn’t really a Dark Draco queen, but on Earth she was considered royalty by Earth standards, so she was earning her place in the [system]. But it will be interesting to see what this future brings for all of us, now that all of the dark resistance is getting crushed.

 

The Ashtar Command

(1:02:00) DANIEL:  The Ashtar Command: you’re the first to actually see them for who they really were. And could you briefly cover what was the being that hid behind the hologram or appearance with you?

APOLLYMI:  Ashtar Command is a group of people who are communicating with people on Earth. One of the entities, I went there as an emissary to figure out why this war was going on, how it was affecting Earth, how it was affecting the universe, and I ended up getting to meet some of the Ashtar commanders.

When I met this person, he had two females with him—a brunette with wavy hair and green eyes, and the other one was blonde with blue eyes.  And there was a blonde-haired male human in front of me with blue eyes, but it didn’t really make any sense because it was a mental projection of what they wanted me to see, but it was a Katai.  A Katai is what most would call the Cat-folk Lyraens, except that they are taller, they’re more muscular, their torsos are more elongated, and they’re built for battle.  Their fur patterns are different; they usually have long tails.  And some of them can have manes.  And they are still a very emotional species; they’re still on the border of emotion and logic.  They also have a very piratical personality, so they don’t like being told what to do.  But they also have their own council in the universal councils as well.

And the Lyraen that was in front of me was a red-furred male, and I just kind of cocked my head and looked at them, and I just ignored it.  And they told me that they’re here to help guide humanity because humans were lost in the dark, and they were trying to reach out to them any way that they can.

There are many species that work for Ashtar Command, but they usually show themselves as the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Nordics.

DANIEL:  I’m sure that there’s a reason why they could cloak themselves that way, and for humans, the reaction would probably be too deleterious.  But it’s cool that you confirmed that it’s a real thing—it’s not just a psyop, the Ashtar Command—and shed some light on some of the creatures that are hiding behind the projections.

 

9.6 Trilion People

(1:06:00)  DANIEL:  So, going back to the history of the Breakaways, I was curious, John, this was the first sentence in your second article, that the Breakaway population is 9.6 trillion.  Would you mind going over how you came by this figure?

JOHN:  Oh, okay. This is an interesting story. A few months ago, one of the main Dark Fleet space stations in the Pleiades was attacked.  And it was recaptured, and the beings who attacked it, they looked roughly humanoid body with the head of a tyrannosaurus rex.  And I was there as a diplomat negotiating the cease-fire, and I remember that species hate humans; they were saying something about, “We’re going to crush you like the roaches you are,” or something like that.  And I remember distinctly saying, “Good luck with that. You have a few million people; we have 9.6 trillion.”

DANIEL:  That was a good retort.

JOHN:  Yeah. And that did shut him up.

DANIEL:  Yeah. And you felt it in your mind; I mean, it counted like as a knowing, as a cognition, that what you were saying was based on factual evidence, right?

JOHN:  Yes.

DANIEL:  But you also mentioned to me that that did not include cyborgs.

JOHN:  No, it doesn’t, so, who even knows how big it would be if they included cyborgs?

DANIEL:  And, this is just my curiosity—it’s hard to say—but in your estimation, if you include time-looped clones and original bodies, roughly how many duplicates do Earth people have in space currently?

JOHN:  I don’t know about time-looped bodies, but this is one of my popular takes (speculation): I think nearly everyone on Earth has a clone out there, because it’s so easy to make one.  They can just wait until you’re asleep, and then just portal into your bathroom at night and grab a few hairs off of your comb, and then they can make several clones of you.

DANIEL:  So, there’s nothing limiting them?  They just have free rein?

JOHN:  Basically, yeah.  It’s pretty scary, but yeah—they can pretty much do whatever they want with whomever they want, just so long as they don’t break too many laws, and/or get caught by the wrong people.

DANIEL:  And do you know any other races that have had such a quick expansion into space, or are we unique in that sense?

JOHN:  The Aldebarans, I know, are expanding at a similar rate to us.  That’s part of why we’re clashing with them so much, is they’re also building up their empire.  And what I was taught in the colony school was that the Draconian Empire expanded very quickly.  Of course, this was millions of years ago, but that’s what I was told.

DANIEL:  So, you would say there are species that outnumber our 9.6 trillion in the galaxy?

JOHN:  Yeah. I mean, there are definitely more mantids, because a mantid queen will lay a nest with thousands of eggs, and there are millions of queens.

APOLLYMI:  And don’t forget the spiders.

JOHN:  Oh, yeah; them, too.  And there are a lot of Draco, too.  I don’t know what their numbers are, but I would say it’s definitely in the trillions somewhere.

 

The Dark Draco Claim to Earth

DANIEL:  Going further back in time, Apollymi, can you go over why the Draco claim Earth for themselves?

APOLLYMI:  So, when this area was completely undiscovered, the Draco sent a scientific team into this area, and the Dracos actually found Old Earth—we’re going to call it Earth I.  And they ended up crash-landing here, and they evolved here.  Well, they ended up leaving after awhile, because other entities started coming in here.  So, they went home and reported everything.  And there were a lot more species who ended up coming in here and exploring.

It takes a long time to claim a planet, or to claim a moon.  Because you have to document it; you have to endure the Universal Council meetings.  Because even though the universe fights a lot, there are still councils . . . who have to manage all of the universal territories.  There is still order over there.  And the Dracos are still very adamant about their claim.  And it’s still an unclaimed territory: Earth has no claim over it; the solar system has no claim over it.  And that’s why you have Dark Draco bases, you have Dark Faction bases, right next to bases that are neutral, or that are what most people would call good, like the Arcturians and the Sirans. Normally this doesn’t happen.

So, when other species came in and started inhabiting it, and the Draco came back with other forces, there was a power struggle.  Some of the Sirians and Arcturians and Pleiadians wanted it for themselves and the Dracos did as well, so, they’ve been fighting over it ever since.

 

Androids and Cyborgs

(1:31:00)  DANIEL:  And what about cyborgs? Were they used as personal slaves in these colonies?

JOHN:  If you’re very, very rich, yes. Your average person doesn’t have access to any slavery, and in fact, the average Breakaway citizen doesn’t even know that the slavery is happening. It only happens openly in a few very elite colonies where they don’t allow cameras or anything.

DANIEL:  I see.  So, you were not one of the people who owned cyborgs.

JOHN:  No.  I wouldn’t even begin to know even where you would go to get one, much less how I would be able to afford it.

DANIEL:  What about androids that have no organic material in them?  Is it true that they also exist in the Breakaways?

JOHN:  Yeah, I think the Japanese actually invented these drones that will fly up and down skyscrapers and clean the windows and . . .

DANIEL:  Oh, but I mean human-like. I heard there were slaves as well that even performed carnal duties, let us say.

JOHN:  Yeah, those exist, but I’ve never seen one that didn’t have some genetic component.  That doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but all the one’s I’ve seen who performed carnal duties or whatever, who were slaves, they had a genetic component.  But for very simple tasks, like washing windows or sweeping the streets or things like that, there were just robots.

DANIEL:  And the problem, I think, is that robots can get so complex that they even have organic-looking tissue while still not being organic, and at some point they can even bleed: is that true?

APOLLYMI:  Yeah, there are certain AIs out there for androids that they eat food, they digest food, they get energy from the food, they can have kids if the creator programs them to do so.  It’s artificial organic tissue, basically, that allows the functions to do quite a lot of the same things.  Although everything has a breakdown period, so these guys have to still have maintenance, like every— however long that it takes to break down.  I’ve been in one of these bodies; I’ve been consciously transferred to one of these bodies.  It took a little while to get used to it, but honestly, I really didn’t find it any different than a human body: just with a little bit different mechanics.  The battery source that they have is very intricate and very powerful, and it can actually house consciousness, which is pretty awesome, I feel, ‘cause consciousness comes very easily to this universe.  Well, not just this universe, but in general.

 

Social Classes, Slavery, Religions

(1:49:00)  DANIEL:  Going back to the Breakaways, John, can you briefly cover the levels of the caste system and why is it so hard to advance in it?

JOHN:  Going from top to bottom, there’s essentially five classes.  At the top are the elite, like the ultra-bourgeois.  They’re like corporate shareholders, celebrities, generals, entrepreneurs, people like that.  They’re at the very top, and they live in the lap of luxury.  They’re the ones who have cyborg slaves.  They have their own colonies that no one is really allowed to go to, except, sometimes, the military; and that’s how I knew about them, was because I made diplomatic visits to a couple of really elite colonies.

Below them you have like white-collar professionals.  These are like small-business owners, highly paid scientists: basically, anyone who runs a small company is in that category.

Below them is officer class, which does not include generals and admirals: they’re at the top of the military, so they’re at the very top.  This includes just like other officers.  They live pretty comfortably as well, but they trapped in military contracts for the rest of their lives.

DANIEL:  And they have limited transport compared to the elites.

JOHN:  Yes. And then below them are—  I believe in the Breakaway they still use the term, merchant class, which I was as a diplomat.  That also includes low-rank military, low-rank government employees, lawyers, doctors, blue-collar workers—those sorts of people.  And archeologists, which I also— one of my alters is also an archeologist.  That’s where you find around 95 percent of colonists, is in that merchant class.

And then at the very bottom are the slaves.  And I know you asked me how hard it is being a slave, and it depends on what type of a slave you are.  If you are an industrial slave who’s in a mining colony or a manufacturing colony, or something like that, your life sucks.  If you are a slave for the elite, like, let’s say you clean their house or something, then physically you’re going to be okay.  Like, you still have no rights, legally, whatsoever, but you’re at least not too uncomfortable physically most of the time.

DANIEL:  But some don’t even have the basic amenities of life.

JOHN:  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  And some of the Breakaway elite practice a variant of the Norse religion that involves human sacrifice.  And they don’t want the karma of actually killing a person, so the people who get sacrificed are resurrected using regen tech.  And a lot of the slaves will actually try to sell themselves as sacrifices so that they can then be regenerated and be in good health, because otherwise, they don’t have any kind of access to that technology.  It’s really screwed up.

 

Black goo

(2:05:30)  DANIEL:  And, John, I was curious about whether you witnessed black goo in the colonies. And how prevalent was it, and was it limited to the Germans or were there other users?

JOHN: Everyone’s using it: human, Draco, whatever. They all are using it, and it’s not just German humans, either.

DANIEL: So, more than just the elites; more castes than the elites.

JOHN: Yeah. It’s very expensive on the black market. It’s technically illegal, even for the elite, but, of course, all the elite have it, and some of the non-elite can get it on the black market.

DANIEL: The officer class have to drink it in a lot of cases.

JOHN: Yeah, that, too. I was forbidden from [using] it, actually, because, being a diplomat, I had to have my empathic abillities intact.

APOLLYMI: I just wanted to talk more about what black goo does. Because I’m pretty sure I’ve been injected with it before on some of my missions, but I had an avatar body.

DANIEL: It’s classically known for making you smarter, faster, stronger, but at the expense of your emotions. So you no longer have your human emotions—only fear and anger, I think.

JOHN: It makes you into a terminator, basically.

 

Is Earth a Protectorate?

(2:07:30)  DANIEL: And John, do you know whether Earth is a protectorate, and who is in charge?

JOHN: Ultimately, no one is in charge. There are a few who claim ownership of the land itself, but there are so many factions who have a presence here, and they all have a little piece of the pie. Ultimately, no one group is in control. As for it being a protectorate, we are protected; I don’t know if the documents call us a protectorate.

DANIEL: Probably some old-time rules made by the seeders back hundreds of thousands of years ago.

 

Saint Olga 69:  https://www.youtube.com/c/SaintOlga69/videos

John Whitberg (Aug. 28, 2022).  “General Overview of the German Breakaway Society”   https://supersoldiertalk.com/general-overview-of-the-breakaway-society/

John Whitberg (Sept. 20, 2022).  “General Overview of the German Breakaway Society Part II  https://supersoldiertalk.com/general-overview-of-the-breakaway-society-2/

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