Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron and Peter Moon – 1993
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Preston: Now, they launched the human-factors research. They actually integrated it with the Phoenix Project, which was still being carried on at the Brookhaven Labs. They had taken work from MK-Ultra, they had taken work from Wilhelm Reich, had taken work from many sectors, including the Philadelphia experiment, and they integrated this all into one super mind-research project.
And they finally developed the stealth technology, so that they could literally synthesize the Earth-references that human beings needed. One of the reasons they went nuts [on the USS Eldridge in Philadelphia Harbor] is that human beings need the electromagnetic background of Earth. When that bottle was sealed—like it was on the Eldridge, open just to Montauk—and it became in the vortex, [then] the electromagnetic background that we need—human resonances, the noise background of the planet—was lost. And people went nuts because of it. They had no basis; they didn’t know where they were. And eventually, with the wall—the high degree of electromagnetic fields—the mind broke.
They learned how to synthesize that background and how to concentrate the fields into a bottle. So, the inside, it was pretty much neutral and pleasant, like the Earth.
Of course, all the final reports were written. The final report, the last couple of paragraphs spoke of, that this is the first time we have definite solid evidence that the mind of man is electromagnetic, and that it can be influenced by electromagnetic fields from the outside. And that this maybe should be gone into, as for crowd-control, military applications. Congress said, no, no, no; they don’t want it. You know, Congress got the report on the early part of the Phoenix Project. Congress supposedly thought they stopped the Phoenix Project.
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You see, the information comes in a very roundabout way from the investigation that Senator Goldwater did on this work. And these guys out at Brookhaven had already built their kingdom; so, they wanted to keep it going. So they got the idea, “Let’s go and talk to the military direct.” So, they went to people in the Joint Chiefs of Staff and said, “Hey, how would you like a weapon—you throw the switch, the enemy throws up their hands and surrenders.”
Of course, you know, they said, “Yeah, yeah, yeah; we’d love that weapon.” So they said, “Well, we can develop it. We have a start on it, but we gotta do it in secrecy.” Because the military was already quite familiar with secrecy. So it was launched as a black-hole project (privately-funded carve-out). And the military suggested, well, you can’t do it— they said, “We can’t do it at Brookhaven Labs, because we are too much under the scrutiny of the political government. You got any ideas of where we can do the research? We want to be close to Brookhaven Labs, Princeton and MIT.”
So, he said, “Well, we’ve got this whole Air Force base that’s now deserted on the eastern tip of Long Island, Montauk Air Force Base. There’s a small town; there isn’t a lot of people in it. You can go out there and be pretty much secluded.”
Back then, in the early ’70s—this was like 1969, 1970, I have to add—there was really— there was a small sleepy little town. It wasn’t big. There wasn’t yet the vacation capital yet at that point. So, the group said, “Great. That sounds like an excellent place.”
Question: What year now?
Preston: This was now about 1972. It was decided to move it all out to the old Montauk Air Force Base. They went out there; they masqueraded as Air Force personnel—they brought some Air Force personnel in also at the same time. And they reactivated the old SAGE radar, because they transmitted on the same frequency range that Wilhelm Reich used for his orgone studies.
So, it was decided to refurbish the old SAGE transmitter. It was there; it was useable. So, they got the Air Force personnel in and refurbished it. Then they contracted with the company, AIL, that I used to work for, and I went out. I started to modify it.
Question: What’s AIL? (Eaton AIL)
Preston: It’s a military-industrial contractor; we made radar-jamming equipment.
Question: So, what’s your background?
I’m an electrical engineer; I have a BS degree. My specialty was essentially receivers. As you can see, these are all receivers. You know, I’m a fanatic on receivers and radio gear. So, I was taken out, and my job was to modify the big old radar transmitter for this special purpose.
They started out with what we call the microwave-oven experiments, where they just took a human being, stuck him in the building, focused the big antenna on him, pumped out 100 million watts of power and cooked the people in that radar beam. And they got it to the point where they could actually type in a command to the computer, and the computer would pulse the transmitter, and the person would do it to some extent.
Question: So, they were triggering mechanisms in the brain through a computer?
Prestion: No, no: it’s the brain directs for the psyche. See, here we get into the question: is your intelligence in the brain, or is it some quantum function that’s outside the brain? I personally believe the brain is a computer interface, and that your intelligence is outside the brain. Because there is documentation of a number of people existing without a brain. [Duncan smiles and waves. According to his medical records, Duncan is brain-dead.]
To continue with the Montauk story, they had developed the microwave-oven experiment to the point where they could type in the command; then they could get the person to act like a chicken or whatever it is. Of course, Duncan here was one of those research people that they hit with this. Why someone didn’t realize that this would burn out the person’s brain, I don’t know. And it was finally realized, well, if we turn the antenna around, the nonphysical energetic component would go through the antenna, and the burning rays would be reflected off into the atmosphere.
Of course, they had to route jets away, because they shot down a few jets, possibly. You have 100 megawatts of power going out in the air and an airplane flys too close, it’s going to knock out all of its avionics equipment. But that was easily to be arranged. In fact, that can be documented today that the old SAGE site in the 70s was off-limits to airplanes, especially east of the SAGE site [the Montauk base]. They didn’t know where you would run into the UHF beam that would wipe out avionics on the airplane.
Duncan: Or the alien beam, on the 400 megahertz [UI]. That’s another story.
Preston: They realized that they had a system by which they were able to enter the mind of a human being by typing in computer commands. Now, at the same time, this group had heard of some of the alien interchange, alien research. They heard that the aliens had a chair deal that you could sit a human being in and it would read out everything that’s in his mind. Of course, they were very interested to interface that into the computer. You know, we have a computer that can take thoughts and make them real, manifest them.
So, what they wanted to be able to do was sit Duncan in a chair, have him concentrate on Tom here: “Tom acts like a chicken.” And Duncan would visualize, create in his mind, a virtual reality where Tom was acting like a chicken. This would go through the computers, go out the transmitter. It would spread out. It would find Tom, like the radionics, it would converge on Tom, and Tom would be compelled to act like a chicken. This is essentially what they did. They made, essentially, a mind-amplifier.
Duncan: There would be enough horsepower to overcome a person’s normal defense system. And the person would become subjective to the format, the work, that was presented.
Preston: They would be controlled.
Question: But is it your mind interfacing with my mind? Or was it some collective mind?
Duncan: It would be an artificial presentation of instructions to do work, which would integrate with—
Question: With my mind? With my normal electrical functions in my brain?
Duncan: Your brain, your auric field, your spirit, soul, and if it’s strong enough—
Q: So, it’s more on a level of energy, physical energy.
Duncan: Absolutely. Energetic, electromagnetic, which in this reality form a highly structured and an based into [phonetic].
Preston: To continue. They developed a mind-amplifier, where a person such as Duncan, who’s been trained in the virtual-reality project, would be trained to actually visualize something and create in his mind a full, complete physical reality, known as a virtual reality.
He would be sat in that chair. The radio equipment, the computer equipment, the transmitter equipment would pick up that virtual reality by a group of coils and different kinds of sensors. It would go to a massive computer bank. The computer would align it, stabilize it—you know, all that good stuff—control it, store it. The computer would then feed it to the actual radar transmitter, which would transmit an electromagnetic equivalent of what we call a thought-form in the metaphysics field; then transmit this thought-form out with lots and lots of CW power. We believe today the CW (continuous wave) power output of the Montauk Project was in the order of 100 megawatts—or 100 million watts—and the pulse-power was up in the terawatts.
Question: But they needed something to control it as well, so they must have been using a computer system, very advanced.
Preston: Very advanced. They used a Cray-1 computer feeding—they used multiple Cray computers for multiple chairs—feeding an IBM 360 or 370, the biggest one IBM had. And then this fed a very specialized radar computer that was built by AIL (Preston’s other job) in Long Island, that interfaced to the actual transmitter and controlled the pulse modulation—the frequency-hopping of the transmitter. And then it went out through all stages—above-ground first, and undergound, back above-ground to the big the antenna, and transmitted it out the big antenna.
What they noticed is, this thing had enough power that they could actually materalize things. In other words, that Duncan could form something in his mind, and this thing had the power to actually bring it into physical reality and materize it.
Question: Through the system at the end of the process, it would appear?
Preston: Yeah. It could actually— if he thought of a can of beer, it could create a can of bear; you could drink it. You see, he was trained to actually visualize something in its entirety. And what they were experimenting with was precipitating, or materializing objects around the base. My favorite was a can of Budweiser beer on the base commander’s desk, because the commander liked Bud. So, they showed Duncan a picture of the base commander’s desk in his office, and he would visualize a can of Budweiser beer sitting on that desk. Sure enough, it would appear on that desk. And the guy could drink it; it didn’t poison him or anything. He said it was very good; it was better than a typical Budweiser.
But they noticed a peculiarity here. Something very peculiar was happening. He might concentrate at 3:00 in the afternoon, and the can of beer might appear at 8:00 in the morning to 8:00 at night—anywhere in that stretch. It would be out in real time. So it was realized, hey, this thing will bend time. Of course, they got all excited over that. And they sent the whole group of us technical-scientific people out to study time. They told us, “Learn everything you can about time—how to control it, what it is.”
This was like 1978, 1979. By 1981, we had modified the system so we had a working time-tunnel, a working time-portal. Duncan here, and we think there may have been one other psychic used for the time. Duncan here has multiple time-references, where he could actually visualize another time. And he would have a personal connection to these, multiple time connections, to actually visualize that exact time that he was trying to visualize. It means that he visualized 1800: let’s say Paris, France in 1800, on a street corner. His mind had a virtual image, a virtual-reality image, created of that street corner in Paris in 1800. And if they picked that out, it would make a connection—first energetic and then physical—to that point in France in 1800.
Question: Would it occur?
Preston: It would occur.
Question: In a limited space wherever it chooses to? Was it controllable?
Preston: Whatever he could concentrate on—that’s how tightly they could control it. It first started out that they could view it and display it on a TV screen. Then, once they got where they wanted, then they could record it, extend it, and they could make an actual opening from the present to whatever time that’s [UI].
Question: So you’re not creating anything; it’s just realizing what’s there already.
Preston: Yeah, sure.
Duncan: Making an attachment to it.
Question: So, in a sense, all times occuring at the same time is the result of that.
Duncan: Well said.
Preston: Of course, to make a long story short, they then cleared everybody off of the base, brought in a super-elite secret group to do the time research. That’s when they were starting to muck around and monkey around with with time itself. Of course, we can go into umpteen-billion different stories here of what they could have done and what they did.
Some of the information comes back that the part of my recall in the 1940s is because it has not fully happened to me yet. – Duncan Cameron, 1993
Then, of course, at the end of the project, on August 12, 1983, they made the connections–slightly earlier. The two guys (Cameron brothers) came from 1943 to 1983. The project is locked up. They created this huge vortex between ’83 and ’43.
It was decided, in late July, early August of 1983, that what was being done out at Montauk was not for the best. You know, some people were starting to get cold feet. You know, they were starting to get scared, to be honest with you. There was meetings held privately among the group.
Question: Why? Because the technologies were so advanced . . .
Preston: This group was monkeying around with time! They could go back and change the life of Christ if they wanted! It was getting very concerning, very scary. After a number of meetings privately between the people inside—not the management of Montauk, but the workers—it was decided: this project had to crash.
Question: And who made that decision?
Preston: I don’t know for sure. I don’t know who made [here the video is edited].
Preston: It was decided the project had to crash. We were going to bring down the project by putting into Duncan a command, that when we said, “The time is now,” to bring up into his conscious mind a monster from the subconscious—a big-foot, essentially.
So, August 12, 1983, he went into the chair, turned on—he was connecting— we don’t even know where he was connecting to at that point, what space and time. But along about 4:00 in the afternoon, I believe it was myself, I went into the chair room, opened up the microphone in the chair room, and said, “The time is now! The time is now!”
At that point, Duncan cleared out the virtual he had already created and brought up this monster from his subconscious. And of course, it became visible and real, and we call it Junior. It started to stomp around: it was angry, it was mad, it was hungry, it was frightened. You know, he brought it out of his subconscious mind, and next thing you know, he’s in an area he’s not familiar with. He’s very mean and nasty. He’s making a lot of noise, smashing things. And at that point it was decided by the project director that the project had to be stopped. [Jack Pruett]
We went down to the power station and pulled the switches to the radar building. Funny thing is, nothing happened. It didn’t stop. So, our next thought is, Holy Moses, the Navy and Air Force techs must have got the wiring underground all messed up. So it was decided, okay, we didn’t want to go pull the switches, because we weren’t sure what was going to happen; so, we decided, I put on a set of acetyline tanks—you know, a cutting torch. You know, a small torch you wear on your back. And I went into the transformer yard—the sub-station next to the transmitter building—and I cut the wires coming up out of the ground with the torch. And I had insulation and such so I wouldn’t get shocked. And then all the lights went off on the base, but that damn transmitter kept running.
So, then I was saying to Jack (Pruett), that’s the base— you know, the head of the project, “You going to go in there?” And he said, “No, you’re going to go in there.” And I said, “No, you’re going to go in there.” None of us wanted to go inside the building! Because there were all sorts of discharges, there was all sorts of wild stuff going on inside the building at that point. You’d open the door and look in, and it looked like seeing almost fire everywhere, and there were glowing masses on the—you know, even the first floor.
So, finally, I don’t remember whether it was at gunpoint or whatever [Jack Pruett put his gun to Preston’s head], I was, shall we say, persuaded to go in and start taking it down inside the building. So, I first went in, pulled the wiring out that went up to the transmitter. Because I thought, “Maybe the wiring is still messed up and I didn’t cut the actual line.” So I knew, this stalks up behind the main panel, power panel—had the 3-phase 440 or 1600 that went up to the drivers. We knew that once we got the drivers down, the amplifiers down below, which you couldn’t get anywhere near, were shut down. They were primed, they were set so that if the input signal stopped through those amplifiers for more than ten seconds, they just shut off entirely, powered down. It was ready to have the water pumped out and that sort of thing.
I pulled those wires out. The lights went out in the building, but I could still hear everything humming upstairs. So, I say, “Oh, these damn techs; they don’t know what the hell they’re doing. The electricians have messed up everything. Now I’ve gotta go upstairs.” I’m climbing up through the muck and mire, and the discharge, and the alternate realities and all that nonsense, get up to the first transmitter floor, and I start trying to shut stuff off, shut down. I can’t even touch the consols. I’d get burned if I touched the consols.
So, I just thought, “Upstairs is the master power control for the two transmitters.” You know, the first and second transmitter floor. So I said, “Okay, I’m gonna go up second floor, and I’m gonna cut that whole master power thing apart.” I cut it apart. It was still running, but now you could hear—everything was out of sequence, out of phase, it was making funny growling noises. I actually had to go into the amplitron rooms and cut the wave guides apart going to the amplitron. To this day, you can see torch-marks where the power-control switches were, and you can see torch-marks in the amplitrons room by the amplitron.
And at that point, when I cut the amplitrons apart, everything stopped humming, the discharging reduced, and I knew, “Okay. We finally shut this God-damned thing off.” And I went out. Of course, most of the people were gone. You know, Junior was 30-foot tall, or ten-foot tall, depending on how much brown mush you had in your pants. And by then, most everybody had gone AWOL. Run out, you know, run for their life, and there was maybe myself and two others, so we fled.
And I went through debriefing. They played the time wrap-around number, which, you know, it’s a long story, so I wouldn’t remember. They made sure I didn’t remember what I did; I actually worked two jobs. But essentially, he was debriefed, released back into the public; I was debriefed, released back into the public. We went on about our regular, normal lives. And that’s the end of the story.
Question: When you were debriefed, were you required to take an oath of silence? No, because you were in the military.
Preston: No. They did this through mind-control means. Both Duncan and I were—and Al Bielek—were debriefed through mind-control means. We were just made to forget it.
Question: And did you?
Preston: I did, until I started to work with a time-transducer myself and had time currents flowing through me. Once I had the time-currents flowing through me, I passed out up on the roof. When I came back, all of a sudden, I started to remember everything. Up on the roof of this building is an antenna. Very similar—a small edition of what they built out at Montauk for the main time antenna. We called it delta-T antenna, or delta-time. It’s three loops built on the delta: you know, an ‘x’, a ‘y’ and a ‘z’. And mathematically you can do wild things if you drive all three loops correctly. You can actually create time vortexes, time distortions and such, if you know how to do it.
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