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Hosted by Chantelle Meyburgh and Morné Venter

April 24, 2022

In today’s connection with Jessie Czebotar, we touch on some sensitive issues. These include the twelve-year old rituals, the “red shoe” club, the child-hunting parties and Project Looking Glass. There may be an interesting tidbit or two for fellow South Africans as we learn of a countryman (Elon Musk) and his involvement in the Brotherhood.

Transcript

CHANTELLE: Hi, again, everyone. It’s so good to be back with Jessie Czebotar. . . .We did quite a bit last week, so, what I’d like to kick off with right now is part of your childhood journey again. So, you were working with the cell of your training partner; I think you mentioned a few other boys that were in your cell group to train for certain things.

(3:00) JESSIE: Yeah. So, I had two different cell groups, and they were all boys. So, the core group, there were three of us, and then when we had our broader group, there were five.

So, I’ve talked about these people on a few other shows. I can’t say names — we have to respect privacy in that — but I’ve come up with nicknames. There were childhood nicknames we had anyway. So, for the broader group, two of those boys were Rothschilds. And I usually only saw them when I was doing training with Laurie at the chateau, or when we were at family things, like at the hunting lodge or bigger rituals. So, I did see one of their twelve-year-old rituals, which we can talk about later.

One of those boys we called Encyclopedia. He was great in the fact that he never forgot a detail about— he knew all the history, he’d give tours of all the houses or mansions we were in — he was just this vast amount of knowledge. And so, I and my training partner had kind of figured out early on, because our our main concern was always safety and wanting to know, if we’re in a certain place, where we are at, where can we go if we need to get into a safe place. So, it afforded us the perfect opportunity: we’d follow him around and be looking for all the secret entrances, we’d be looking for all the stairwells, and he knew the map of of where we were at. So, he didn’t know that that was what we were using him for, but it worked out on our end.

The other one was pretty young: he was just a little, little toddler. So, he was somebody that we would— we deeply loved and adored and didn’t want any of the harm to come to him. So a lot of times this little one, he was the first child that we would grab, and and we would hide him with us and just keep him quiet. And I know that there was abuse that happened to him when we all weren’t together, but at these big hunting parties and stuff, he was with us, so we know he didn’t experience some of the stuff that the other kids did. They would search for him, and so it gets scary, because if we got caught, I usually was not the one who got in trouble most the time: it was my training partner who would take the full brunt of the punishment.

Hunting parties

(6:50) JESSIE: So, at the hunting parties they would— they’d have all these expendable children outside in the woods. And usually they have holding grounds, like a tunnel system or something underground, where they hold the kids in cages until the time of the hunt. And the hunt usually happens later, once it’s dark outside.

And so what they’ll do is they’ll make a perimeter, which is pretty large, of these woods, and they’ll station the different elite people around the perimeter. And then when they give the go, they release the kids, and the kids are told just to run, to hide, and that’s when the elite will go through the woods and start hunting for them. When they catch them, a lot of times they will first sexually abuse them, and then they’ll kill them. So not everybody will get killed in that situation. If they don’t, then they’re used for other hunts. But there were kids that I saw who were really good survivors, and they would just continuously have to relive this trauma.

(8:25) So, those were the kids on the outside, and then, because we were hierarchy kids, we were on the inside. And so, on the inside, usually in the house or the lodge, you would have the older men who were too old — sometimes it did include women — but they were too old to be out in the woods hunting for the kids, so they brought everything indoors for those individuals. And those individuals were not allowed to kill, but they were allowed to capture and rape the hierarchy children. So, once the signal was given that the hunt was on, you were just trying to escape, hide and not be found. And sometimes they would make it seem for the kids like it was a hide-and-seek game; so, unless you got caught, you really didn’t know what happened.

We found out [what happened] because one time we were at the lodge and we had— we had grabbed the youngest Rothschild and we had gone upstairs. And there was like a laundry chute, and that’s where we were trying to get to, was to be in that chute and try to make our way downstairs to the basement. But we didn’t make it that far. I’ll just say, Jacob Rothschild we found was already up there, and we heard he was pulling one of the kids with him. And so, we just snuck into the first room that we could find, and there was this huge wardrobe in there. And so, we got inside that wardrobe, but we picked the wrong room, because that was the room he pulled the child into.

(10:40) And so, many of these older gentlemen, it’s not just for sexual pleasure that they rape these children: they do it for sex magic. So, he started to do the magic spells and incantations with this child, and was telling the child to do his part of the incantations. And I got really, really mad. So, I guess it probably was my non-verbal language, because we weren’t saying anything; we were trying not to move. But I started . . . looking out the crack of the wardrobe, and all of a sudden I just feel this hand come around me and pull me back, and it was my training partner. And when he did stuff like that, it was like, “If you move or say a word, I’m going to kill you.” Like, that’s what I knew he was thinking. And he had seen the little guy was really, really scared about what was happening, and he was trying to keep him from crying. So we watched that whole thing. And so, that’s how we became privy to what was going on behind the scenes. And then after that incident, there were several other incidents we saw.

(12:00) So, most of it was just trying to survive through that and not— You know, the one time when my training partner did— like, we said something, and they hauled him out to an old well and they dropped him in that. And he was down there for a couple of hours. And we’d call those, the wells or the deep holes, we would just call “the pits.” And that was a form of punishment, where they would throw you down there and you were just down there, cold and sometimes wet. Sometimes there were strange creatures down there, so there were times you had to fight to survive, and you couldn’t see what you were fighting: it was pitch dark.

So, that was one of their favorite forms of punishment for us. Sometimes, for us, they would stick us in rooms with adults who had weapons, and it was either they survived or we survived. So it was like an automatic— they put us in this automatic combat situation where we had to make a choice to take life or to die. So, that was that was pretty difficult. But that’s what—

CHANTELLE: How old were you when this was going on that are you talking about now?

JESSIE: That particular one, I was probably five going on six. So, that was like one of the first. That was in 1982, so I think I was about five.

So, that was kind of the first ones. So, those two [the Rothschilds] we usually only saw, like I said, at the rituals or during training. They did train us for a specific— it’s not necessarily a ritual: it’s used with a type of spell that you would cast and it’s called a quintet. And so, they’d have all five of us at the point of a pentagram, and we all had different types of elemental magic that we were specialized in. And they would use that magic to harvest energy and have us try to create light beams as weapons and stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(15:15) So, that was kind of where— when we were together, most of the time the focus was on those things. So, usually we’d end up at their place early in the morning and we’d get to wander the grounds. We’d have time before training began, and then usually the afternoons and evening was when we had the training. And then, I was trying to think if there’s any— I know you wanted to talk about the red shoes today, so I’m going to share this story, because then it will go with that.

So, I want to share one more brief one with those boys. We had an incident where we had found that underneath one of the mansions there was a a metal door down in the basement, that if you went through that door, it literally was an underground graveyard that extended the whole extent of the house. So, it was like all these pebbles and stones, and then there was cement, I guess graves, that were placed there, and then there would be a cement slab over the grave.

So, when we had been in the library the one time, Encyclopedia had told us this story about a man who had red shoes. And he had been buried with this wooden toy, and there was a child who wanted that toy, and so he had gone looking for it, and supposedly somehow he ended up in the grave as well. And so, the story was that this boy and the toy were still there.

(17:00) So, we had found out the name of the guy with the red shoes, and so, we got down there, and it was just me, my training partner, and the youngest Rothschild at first. And we jimmied that big slab of cement off that grave and got in there to see it. And we could verify, yes, that the guy was buried in red shoes, and there was a child in there with him, and we did find the toy. And so we gave that to the youngest Rothschild. But it was interesting: it was this wooden horse with an old, like, colonial soldier that had been carved out and stuff.

So, right after we had done that, all of a sudden, Encyclopedia came in and was like, “We gotta get out of here; we gotta get out of here! We’re going to get in trouble!” He liked to keep us all in line. And so, we were trying to get the cement thing back on. Well, as we’re doing that, from the far side of the house, all of a sudden we hear, like, this demonic, like, roar, like a roaring starting, and this demon was coming. And we were like, “Oh, shoot!” And we were just going to run out the door, and Encyclopedia was like, “No, no, no! We got to put the slab back, or we’re all going to get it!” So we were, like, trying to shove that back on before this demon came at us.

(19:00) And so, finally, we got it back on. We grabbed the youngest one, we’re running out the door. And it’s pitch dark at that point; like, we can’t see once we leave that room and close the big metal door — that hallway was dark. And so, we were trying to feel around, and Encyclopedia was like, “We’ve gotta lock the door!” and we’re like, “Forget locking the door!”

And then we heard that his dad was coming. So, he was still insistent on locking the door. So I think it was the little guy, who’s like one and barely can walk very well. I think he was almost two, but he was in front: he can’t see anything. I’m hanging on to his shirt while I’m pushing him forward. My training partner’s behind me, shoving me, and I’m trying not to trip over the little guy. And then Encyclopedia was behind us. And we finally— like, we’re running through this hallway, pitch dark, like we just had a hand along the walls so we could feel where the wall was; we knew it was straight all the way to the end. And at the end, you kind of went up these stairs, and there was a door on the left that went outside, and then there were more stairs that went up.

We had just got to that platform where the door was, and thankfully, my training partner was a quick thinker, and so he had opened the door and then he closed it. So, when Encyclopedia’s dad came around the corner and saw us, it looked and sounded like we had all just come in from outside. And so, that saved us, and none of us got— You know, we’re all just standing there, and like, “Oh, hi. We had fun outside.”

CHANTELLE: Normal kids playing! [laughter]

Right, right. And so, we had that toy behind the little guy’s back, so they didn’t know that we had done anything. So, I don’t know— like, I know Encyclopedia had probably taken control of helping to hide that item that we had stolen.

Elon Musk

(21:30) So, that was part of that. And then, my core group of three, sometimes there was an extra child that we would call “E”, and “E” was closer to my age. Like, Encyclopedia was probably about five to ten years older than me, but this “E” was closer to my age, and he was part of my core group of three with my training partner. And he was more involved with the government experiments that we did. So, he was the one that they had pulled in to do the Looking Glass project with me and my training partner.

(22:20) So, why I’m kind of wanting to talk about these boys is that that child, he was from South Africa. [That] was one of the prominent areas his family lived in. There were some special things about his family. They knew how to hand-procure a special— they called it a perfume, and that perfume had special ingredients from some of the islands, particularly the Canary Islands. And so, once a year, they would make this perfume and they would bring that to the queen mother of darkness and present that as her gift once a year from their family line.

(23:00) So, he was the one that they brought in to do these experiments with us. And with the Looking Glass project, they use three children, and what they call “going through the looking glass” means that you’re literally— like you’re connecting into the spiritual world. So, it’s really a form of clairvoyance or divination. You’re accessing the spiritual world and then connecting to demonic spirits that are there that teach you and train you how to see the future. Sometimes you do see the past.

(24:00) And so, each of us, though, had— like, our gift to be able to see into that spirit world was slightly different. So, like for me, I always saw the end-picture of an event or a situation. And you never knew; like, there wasn’t necessarily a way to control what you were going to see. So, as you were looking into the spirit world, you would just see, and the three of us would see kind of the same thing, but we would see it from different perspectives. And then they would pull us out, and we would have to recite word-for-word what we saw, what we heard, what we felt, and they would compare those things to get the whole picture.

And so, I usually only saw the end-result, and usually it was very clear, where I could detail exactly every little detail of that end-result. “E” could only see step-by-step; like, he couldn’t see what the end was, but he would see what steps led up to that end-point. And then my training partner, he could see kind of all the steps and all the consequences. Like, if you took that step, what would happen? And so, they would kind of use it as a triple-accountability to maneuver their decision-making for certain situations. So, they would kind of know the time-frame, they would know what was expected, and they would know things that were going to happen that would lead up to that expected situation.

(26:00) CHANTELLE: Can I just ask you something? So, were they able to manipulate the energies to create a certain outcome?

JESSIE: That’s what they would try to do. Yeah, that’s what they would try to do was use that information so that if the end-result was not what they wanted, they would look through, “Well, at which step do we need to change and try to manipulate that outcome?”

There were some things, a lot of it was apocalyptic end-time things. There were a few times I felt bad, because we really threw “E” under the bus. But I and my training partner could communicate without directly talking to each other, so, we were more— like, if I saw a vision, then he would know. Like, I could tell him what I saw, and we could do that without “E” knowing the full picture. There were some things that we knew they were going to try to manipulate, and all of us, we were all trying to get out. So, it was like, “What can we say at what point to give them the wrong picture so that they make the wrong choice and things end up so we can have a better chance of getting out?” So, there were a few times we outright lied about what we saw.

(27:45) We did have, like, when they pulled us into more of the operational experiments — or actually, they were operational military projects — we did operate with a group of men who were trained in this as well. And so, that was a team of— there were five guys, so, there were five of us kids at that time. And two of those guys were— I never saw any evil from them; I would— in my world, they were good men. So, I’ll say two of these men in these experiments were good, and the one, he knew that we were lying about things and he helped cover that up. So, he never revealed, as far as we knew, that we were lying about some of those things. That individual now is currently working with our government with some of these things to rescue children. So, that gets kind of interesting, how it all kind of loops back around.

(29:00) With “E”, he was a very intelligent, bright child. He was always playing with tinker toys or different— those connects (K’nex), and he was always building things, building models. One of the things that I’ve shared about him was that the Illuminati was using the Frank Lloyd Wright houses as auction houses for selling kids. Part of their cover-up they did through art projects. So, at these Frank Lloyd Wright houses, sometimes the auctions would be under the guise of art sales. And I talked about on Good Dog’s show that sometimes that artwork included pieces of children or ground dust, the paint might have been mixed with some of the ashes or dust that were left over from those things.

One of the first ones that we did — and this was me, my training partner and “E” — so, there was a a piece where we had paint, and we did our hand prints. And so we did our hand prints all around, and that piece sold for quite a bit of money. And then one of the first very intricate connect pieces that “E” did, Jacob Rothschild purchased that and had that in his library. And so later, when we were at their house, we saw that piece in his library.

(31:00) And so, for them, when they bought this artwork, they believed it connected them to that child’s soul, that it gave them special abilities to— it’s not the same as handling, but it was almost like a soul-tie, that they could call on your energies or your spirit if they were doing magic. They could include your energy or spiritual powers while they were doing that ritual or magic. So whoever they owned, they believed it was just another piece of power that they had.

CHANTELLE: I would like to know about the red shoes. We see the pope regularly walking around with these red shoes. We see a group of very powerful world leaders — I’ve seen Tom Hanks, I’ve seen the Podesta guy. A couple of them I can’t remember their names, but there’s a whole group of guys that wear these bright red shoes. Can you help us understand what that’s about, please?

(32:40) JESSIE: Yeah. So, when you are in the Illuminati, you specialize in different forms of magic or different— they call them orders. The easiest way to explain that is, if you look at, like, the Masons, they have a lot of different orders that you could join. You can be a part of all of those orders if you want, or you can select one or two and really specialize in those. So, across the systems, it kind of works the same way. You would just get different orders that you’re connected to. So, you’ve got the Masons, you’ve got the Jesuits, you’ve got the Kabbalah.

(33:30) The Satanists and the Mormons usually are not involved with the red shoes; that’s not usually a sign of what they’re into. So, mostly you’re going to find that people who are wearing those are part of the Jesuit and the Kabbalah esoteric levels of the Illuminati. So, it signifies that they’re pretty high in their levels. They don’t usually go by degrees in those two departments, but it would be comparable to the Masonic branch who would— you’d be above a 33-degree Mason when you get those red shoes.

And it usually signifies a very significant kind of higher-level ritual killing. And the shoes— the shoes are made out of a child’s skin. And usually you’ll see they get significant rings with diamonds in them. The more children they kill, a lot of them like to have those diamond trophies that they wear around.

CHANTELLE: So that would be the same child. Would they themselves have sacrificed the child whose shoes he was wearing?

JESSIE: Yes, usually, yes.

CHANTELLE: And then that child would then— the rest of its organs and things get trafficked as we spoke about the last time, whatever, and then they would take the remains and incinerate it?

(35:30) JESSIE: Yeah. Usually they don’t have anything to do with that part of the process; they have individuals whose job it is to do that part. They would just receive the diamond or the ring after it’s done.

(36:00) CHANTELLE: And, yeah, the pope walks around with red shoes on, so—

JESSIE: And their diamond rings are pretty extensive.

CHANTELLE: And would those be their trophy diamonds that they wear?

JESSIE: I believe that they are. That’s my personal opinion, but I believe that they are. And you see later those are offered for massive amounts of money once the pope stops wearing them.

CHANTELLE: You said something earlier, that the Satanists are not necessarily part of the red shoe club. But isn’t Satanism that they do blood sacrifices, they do child sacrifices? But just not in the same way or in the same level that these guys with red shoes use the skins?

JESSIE: Right. There’s different— You should remember that across the board in each of these departments, different people will bring their philosophies that they’ve connected with. So, a lot of the Satanists, unless you’re in the really high levels, the majority of them are more into what we call white or gray magic. So, they may get to the point of sacrificing animals, but most of the time a lot of them practice the white magic, which, with the white magic, they don’t do any sacrifices at all, but they still call on the same— they invoke the same demons.

(37:40) The majority of those people deal with lower or mid-level demons, so they’re not dealing with the the general demons that I grew up with. Once you’re dealing with the general demons or the higher-level demons, those are the bloodlusty demons and they demand— like if you’re hosting that demon, they demand blood. And I know very few — it would probably be less than five people — who have made it to those higher levels without ever sacrificing or killing. But the cost is that they have to give their own blood, and it [requires] more and more each time. All of those individuals suffer from major seizures, so, the demons will kind of try to take over that way. Most of the higher-level people, if they’ve got those general demons, they’re— usually it’s only like a five-to-ten-year relationship, and then the demons will kill them and and go on to another host.

CHANTELLE: Do they actually murder them, or do the people actually end up dying because this energy is just too much to work through their body?

JESSIE: No, the deaths that I saw were pretty graphic. My arch-nemesis demon is Moloch, and he literally will rip his hosts apart from the inside out. So, he shreds them to pieces when he’s done with them.

CHANTELLE: When he wants more.

JESSIE: Yeah, yeah. Usually has— I mean, all of them usually have more than one host at a time but they just— they go from one host to the other. They can’t be in all of them at the same time.

The Ritual of Blasphemy (part of summer solstice celebrations)

(40:00) CHANTELLE: What I’d like to ask you about is maybe to go into some detail around the twelve-year-old ceremonies. I’m very intrigued by that, because twelve is quite a significant age, obviously. I think that would be the age that we go into puberty, so there are definitely some biological changes in the body at that stage. And I’m just interested from this perspective, from the Luciferian cult, why twelve? What happens at twelve, and why? Is it a spiritual transformation? Is that a good age for them to connect with their demons? And also, can you explain to us here what happens at these ceremonies? I’ve read some and I’ve heard some awful stories about a specific pool scene as well, swimming pools.

(40:50) JESSIE: Yeah. So, with the twelve-year-old rituals, it is a part of that rite of passage, but that’s the age that they choose that will be when the child takes his first blasphemy. So, up until that point, the children have been abused, they’ve been taught sex magic, but it’s always that they’re the victim in that situation. At age twelve is when they make the choice that they’re in. So, they’re declaring it’s their life choice, and it’s the first time that they become the perpetrators.

(41:30) So, it goes along with the hunt as well. So, I did see two twelve-year-old rituals with the boys that I grew up with, and they did happen at Gloria Vanderbilt’s. Well, let me say, the one did not; the second one did happen at Gloria Vanderbilt’s. But they did a hunt first, and the hunt is meant to kind of — I hate to use this word, but it’s kind of the foreplay. So, they’ll put the boys out in the woods. It’s not really like a hunt to kill on their end: they’re learning that this is their first time doing the hunt, being the perpetrator.

(42:30) But they will have— they’ll have girls then, and the girls are trained to seduce the boys and kind of create this foreplay situation where they’re excited but they don’t get to do anything at that point during the hunt. So, those are a little bit— it’s kind of hard to explain. It’s not the same as the regular hunts, ritual hunts that they do. So, this one is a little bit different and it usually happens around the summer solstice. It’s part of that ritual.

And so, after they’ve had the boys, part of this summer-solstice ritual hunt, then that was where I witnessed— Like, I don’t know if this is the same in every situation, but the twelve-year-old ritual I saw, we went from the woods and that ritual to the pool. And it really was actually a boat— like an area where you would take your boats to clean. So that’s originally what it’s meant for. It wasn’t like a swimming pool: it was more of a boat-cleaning area.

(44:00) And I and my training partner, my proctor, were up— like, there was a scaffolding, kind of wood walkway up above. And so we were up there and looking down. And kind of like where the middle was, they had a whole bunch of ropes hanging, and they would hang the twelve-year-old in those ropes. And they were— they were naked.

CHANTELLE: Are these the hierarchy kids?

JESSIE: Yeah, the twelve-year-old was the hierarchy child who was going through the ritual. So, he’d be hung in that middle area down in the pool area. And then along all the sides they had other ropes, and so, then they had expendable children that would be murdered in that ritual that were hanging from the ropes that were on the side. And they usually— like, the ropes just kind of went like a U-shape, and so they’d have the child— like the rope would be under their armpits holding them up, and then they’d have their hands tied behind their back and their feet tied so they couldn’t go anywhere.

(45:20) So, with that ritual, what I saw happen was that the high priest and the other people who were then going to be what we consider the apprentices, or the individuals who would be guiding that child then through his life and his career, and making sure he had everything he needed to fulfill his position, those were the ones that were involved in the ritual. And they would sexually rape the child, we’ll just say from every direction that they could. It was all at the same time, so kind of a gang-rape type thing. As they were doing that, they would be telling the child, “You want this. This is your big day. You’re going to renounce God and take your position in the Brotherhood and you want this.” And so they are leading the child and telling him exactly what he needs to do and say.

And then, once the child says his blasphemy against God, the child then would be released, and the first thing that they have to do is murder with their hands. But they basically cannibalize— start to cannibalize the other children that are hung around, and then everybody would get involved in that. So, there was a lot of blood that would be all over and all around.

(47:00) So, that was what we call the first blasphemy ritual. And then from that point on, they’re considered a full member of the Brotherhood. They’re bound by all the rules, which the number-one rule is secrecy. The second one is that you keep your brother’s secrets and you help him hide and cover up his secrets, and you never [betray your brother]. Everybody who is your teacher, you’re— the person you do your apprenticeships under, you’re privy to their secret life and you never reveal anything about that secret life.

(48:00) CHANTELLE: So. . . obviously those kids that you witnessed having that happen to them would be in top positions now. So, those twelve-year-olds would be holding some very high positions in society now.

JESSIE: Yes, that is correct: they do.

CHANTELLE: And it’s like every child begins its journey innocently, and through this abuse — the torture, the rape — their mind gets completely turned around. I think it was something I was saying the last time we chatted about that redemption thing, and it’s like that moment I think that there’s that split between good and evil, so to speak.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: But they don’t really have a choice, do they? I mean, they don’t have a choice.

JESSIE: No.

CHANTELLE: So, it’s so indoctrinated. . . . Sorry, carry on.

JESSIE: Yeah, no, I was just going to say they really don’t have a choice. For most of them, by that time they’re well aware if they don’t do this that there’s gonna be more death, more consequences. The threat of death is never necessarily towards the child at that point, because a lot of the children at that point would choose death as a way out. So they’ll hold everything else in front of the child, hold the people that they love the people they connect to those are the lives that are put on the line and threatened if they don’t follow through on this. And by that point we all had seen the horrific torturous deaths you don’t want to see that happen to anybody you love, so you go through with it.

CHANTELLE: Yeah and I think you the word you use with posture you get incredible posture where you have to stand and observe this and not shed a tear, because if you shed a tear or try to intervene, it just becomes that much worse, right? And at a spiritual level, that’s the part Satan wants to get people’s hearts at is that it’s no longer you just looking at the evil but you’re embracing that experience you’re at a spiritual level you are now— your knowledge is is not just that about that evil but you are intimately acquainted with it because you’ve participated in it.

But then it goes this two steps farther. The first step is that the enemy gets these people to believe that this is what they want, that they want to do this and they enjoy doing it. And then the next step is that they want it and enjoy it so much that they’re going to get others to do the same thing. So they then start to applaud and encourage other people to do it as well.

(52:00) CHANTELLE: Are these kids given drugs such as adrenochrome or anything before these these rituals?

JESSIE: Yes, that is one of the times that they do. There’s different proofs of adrenochrome, so on a daily basis, I’m sure many of these kids were like me, where they were hiding it in our food and we didn’t know we were getting a daily dose of it, which you learn to function on. But then if they give a little bit more, it brings you into this psychosis. So, yeah they— with that psychosis you just have no control over your actions. And it does cause you to have the most horrific thoughts and you just have all this pent-up anger and rage and destruction, where that’s what allows them to do what they do in those rituals.

CHANTELLE: And so, these kids will be given this, and that would be their first moment of— is that the first time they cannibalize another human being, at the twelve-year-old ritual?

(54:00) JESSIE: The first time where they initiate that, yes. So, they might have been exposed to eating human flesh before that, but it’ll be the first time that they kill and initiate that cannibalization.

CHANTELLE: Would that then be when they are connected to their demon?

JESSIE: Some of them, yes. Some of them have generational family spirits that they inherit, so those could— usually there’s a ritual they go through at age five to get those spirits. And then, if they have a family member who dies and they get to inherit those spirits, that could be at any age, right? So I wouldn’t say that that’s the first time that they get connected to their spirits. Usually by the time you’re age ten you’re fully trained, so you already are connected to your major spirits. And then you know how to to do warfare with those spirits, how to invoke them, how to summon them. I do believe from the two that I saw, they did get an extra or a special spirit during that ritual, but the majority of their spirits they already had before that point. . . .

(57:00) CHANTELLE: But I want to ask you, in terms of compassion, you’ve been through so much. I know your proctor, there’s a close connection there. And after you’ve been forced into such a terrible system, how do you deal with that? How do you deal with her? How do you deal with the people that were involved that are possibly still close to you? How do you find your compassion? Because you’ve got such an amazing love that fills your spirit and the work that you’re doing . . . There’s a lot of compassion in you. How do you find that after what you’ve been through?

(58:00) Yeah. I think that stems from two things. First, as a child I saw that reality. Because I could hear and see in the spirit world, many times I could see the struggle that these individuals were having with the spirits or with Satan. So, in my mind, I recognized that the true enemy was Satan and these bloodlusty demons. And that they had a lot of control, they had a lot of ways to make— They’d always say that really it was these people, it was their will their desire to participate in this evil. But what it came down to was that all of us, we do have— A scripture says, “Every inclination of the heart is evil.” There’s that piece of us that’s inclined towards that, but at the same time, there’s that piece of us that’s inclined to truth and to God.

The enemy plays a really big role in that, that many of these people are brought up as Christians or in a Christian environment, in the church. So, they’re taught the good things about God, they’re taught how to love one another, how to interact in a good way in humanity, and that’s their cover lives. And then the other part, they’re faced with that deep, deep evil wickedness that has no bounds. And when they come to that point that they’ve got to make that choice, it really comes down to that they don’t have a choice. The enemy— a lot of them are so fearful, they’re so bound, they’re so captive that in their mind they cannot even conceive that God could love them because of the things that they’ve done. And the enemy really makes it seem like this was your choice. So, there’s so much guilt and shame that they really— a lot of them get this kind of rebellious attitude where they’re like, “Yes, I’m going to embrace this fully; this is what I want; this is who I am.”

Behind some of that, you’ve got the demonic spirits. So, some of those people are fighting mental control with those spirits, where they’ll black out if they want to choose— If they’re going to choose that good route, right at that moment the spirit will cause them to black out and the spirit takes control of their body. Next thing they know, there’s pictures, there’s evidence that they’ve done horrific things.

So, when they take their blasphemy, they are fully in their right mind. Will they remember it the next day? They might not. Sometimes they do different types of things to affect the memory so that these people, they go into program mode, where they don’t even on a conscious level know that they’ve done this. They just live their cover-lives and then during bedtime when they’re sleeping, all of a sudden the enemy could call them up, and they just go and do things, and then the next day they wake up, and if they have any recollection, they just think they were having nightmares or bad dreams. So, they don’t have full conscious mental control after.

(1:02:00) With my proctor, it was really difficult, because from the get-go, I knew she wanted to kill me; she wanted me dead. She made that very clear. And yet all I wanted was, I wanted us all to get out. I knew how bad it was. And so my compassion went to the extent — and my anger was really behind it — there was only one way I could see to get back at Satan and these demons, and that was if I— in my own words — if I stole every single one of his top people from him. And I knew the only way to do that was to bring them to the Lord and to get them out. So, that became the driving passion for me, that it was like, “I’m going to love no matter how hard it is. I’m going to love, I’m going to forgive, I’m going to keep reaching out, I’m going to keep building those relationships, I’m going to keep engaging. I’m gonna show them how to live and how to experience that redemption.”

(1:03:00) Probably the most real conversation I ever had with my proctor was about Mother Teresa. And she had read her book, and so I said, “Well, tell me about that.” And she said, “Well, I just can’t understand how this person, she continued to invest in people who didn’t amount to anything.” And I was like, “But why did that stir your heart? What about that touched you?” And her response was, “I don’t think anybody is worthy of that kind of love.” And it was like, “But you are. God loves you that much.”

And we got into this really interesting conversation about God and his love, and the extent, can God can forgive every sin? Is there hope? Is there redemption? So, she’s very aware of those things, but has never come to that point in her heart yet where she takes that final step.

(1:04:30) So, for me I try to think of their humanity. That’s part of why I tell their stories as part of mine, because it shows people that these are regular people, that the people who are adults now who are running this system, at one point they were children just like me. We didn’t really get to play — we had very serious adult-like lives at a young age — but we were fighting the tunes we were still there was still that mischievous childhood at points. There were those things we did to get even with the adults; there were things that we did to get out of the evil or to avoid it. And allowing people to see that side of them I think really speaks a lot to their lives, that all of us could have ended up in that position. We look at now, I see a lot of people who are like, “No, they’re— they’re—“

(1:05:50) And I have to make a disclaimer here, because I do work with a lot of the mothers who have children who are in that position where they are horrifically sexually abused and tortured, and they’re trying to get their kids out of the system. And with that comes a lot of anger towards the people who are causing that harm. And I feel that, too. It’s not that I don’t feel that or that I think these people should get a free pass. The point of surrender for me came where I had to give God that right to [decide] whatever the justice is. Even if I have to watch these people die, is there a way I can still be with them in that as they are taking the consequence of what their sins deserve? And that’s it’s a hard place to be. . . .

(1:08:25) JESSIE: And that’s the key word there is that responsibility. A lot of them don’t want to get to that point where they are taking the responsibility.
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CHANTELLE: Jessie thank you so much for being with us again I think you are bringing so much light and so much healing and so much awareness to our beautiful planet, and thank you for your sunshine.