June 7, 2022

Partial Transcript

(5:50) Daniel: How many years would you say you have served?

Apollymi: From the very first interaction that I had with the ET government and the U.S. military, I was between five and a half and six. Well, I started at five and a half to six, and I’ve never left the programs. There was a time of peace for me between 13 to 22 that was my gap, that was blocked, but after realizing that some of my astral traveling and events were actually missions, and they were using new technology to give us dream overlays and everything else, I realized that I haven’t really left at all.

Daniel: Do you feel that you have done multiple decades at once, like 20-and-back or 40-and-back?

Apollymi: I’m not entirely sure. I only have one year where I literally— summer never ended for me. My entire life has been pretty straight memory forward. I do know that I have a lot of clones that have been made of me, and a lot of hybrid clones that have been made of me, and I do get residual feedback from them.

(8:45) Daniel: Who takes you as Appolymi, the main you, and who takes only the compartamentalized part of you that they obtain through torture?

The way that I feel everything, like I’m the first consciousness, and so they usually take soul shards from my first body that I had. That body got destroyed, but they basically take the shards out, and place them in other bodies, which is why I can sometimes control them from far away if I hack into them, or I can get feedback, or I can get visualization or feeling of the environment.

(10:20) Daniel: You said that you got shards to return to you. Is that helpful, and how did you manage to get them to return?

(12:25) Daniel: And you also mentioned that you suspected that you were in a clone body right now. Is that true?

Apollymi: I get shoved into a lot of different bodies. I am part of a project where they are trying to learn what kind of soul quanta are compatible with certain genetic forms, because each DNA has its own limitations on how much quanta it can be subjected to before it breaks down. And because I lost my original body, they ended up putting me in this program, so I do body-jump a lot because my quanta is very high, and I just end up breaking things down. I can usually tell when I start having neurological symptoms at night. Usually my bodies will last between 12 to 48 hours if it’s a low-grade DNA hybrid.

(13:25) Daniel: You also mentioned that there is a veil on Earth. Do you have any information about who put it there?

Apollymi: This is a very long conversation and a very difficult one. The veil is not the same as the matrix. They are two completely different ET technologies. Because this is a seed planet, which means that experiments can go on here that are exempt from the laws out in the universe—and that’s why I say experimental planet—there is a veil put over it so that the amount of energy can be controlled. So, that’s why it’s very hard for anyone with abilities to make a fireball, use telekinesis—any of the abilities we should have. ‘Cause if you take any SSP person who has problems with his abilities here and get him beyond the moon—because that is where the veil really stops—

Daniel: Or inside Earth.

Apollymi: Yes. Yeah, or Inner Earth. The veil completely stops. And you will be able to have your abilities. If you’re wearing a matrix suit, like I do most of the time, or if you have a chip augment that allows you to use the holographic technology for the matrix set on here, you’re going to look like your real self.

Daniel: Can you drop your matrix suit at will?

Apollymi: I cannot. I have to get enough energy in my body and auric field to break it. I have stressed it a couple of times where I start shifting, and my eyes will actually change to my real color.

(15:20) Daniel: You don’t have to say what you really look like, but can you tell us if it’s very different from what we’re seeing now?

Apollymi: I look humanoid, with pointy ears. My skin is exceptionally white. I have rainbow prismatic colored eyes, my hair is pink, gold and white, and I have wings, a tail and a set of ears on my head. I am technically a genetic experiment that is a hybrid, that was supposed to be built for war, but I don’t like to listen.

Kan John asks Apollymi about Camp Livingston, Louisiana.

(18:00) When I’m stuck up here I am a U.S. citizen, so I have to work like everybody else. I’m in the state of Montana.

(19:00) Discussion of dinosaurs.
(20:00) Sacred geometry and phi

(22:00) Daniel: So you brought up dimensions. And I suppose the veil is what keeps us in 3-D. Do you have any idea whether this refers to density or dimension?

Apollymi: The veil is actually a technology that is around Earth dimensionally. There are towers placed around Earth. And many people have been trying to get it down, because we want to be ourselves; we want to have our abilities. It is a technology that keeps the planet at a certain frequency cap. So, the Tibetan monks can levitate, but it takes a lot of energy to do so, because the veil is actually keeping the planet at a certain energy level. If prana could be in this planet the way that it used to be before the Fifth Era of Man, everybody would look different; the planet would be a lot healthier. But it’s part of the seed experiment, or at least this experiment.

(23:15) Daniel: You also mentioned that you traveled not just in 3-D, but 4, 5, and even 6: could you name some of the biggest differences between them?

Apollymi: Well, everything looks a little bit smoother. The dimensions have a lot more prana to them. Prana is basically ether, tachyon, chi energy, or whatever you want to call it. So, the physics there are different, depending on what dimension you are in. Like, you might be able to breathe in outer space; there might be more colors than exist here in this dimension, because things are vibrating on different frequencies—there are more frequencies to vibrate at. Your abilities could also change as well, depending on the quanta of your soul, and your body that you have going to those dimensions.

(24:15) Daniel: How much of your SSP experience happened in higher dimensions?

Apollymi: I know for a fact that the Nazi Aryans had us go to different dimensions to do missions. We took a crystal train; and this train was literally made out of crystal. It was very sentient. There’s a little girl who pilots that train, and she is a prisoner. And they use her quanta, they use her consciousness to actually govern between the dimensions that they take us to. And we use that to go to those dimensions.

Daniel: Right. And she has a horn, right?

Apollymi: Yes, she’s got a little horn right here. It’s very adorable. I want to free her so badly, but contracts really suck.

(25:05) Kan John: Where does this girl come from?

Apollymi: I don’t know where she came from, to be honest. She has the deepest purple eyes, and she’s got like very pearlescent skin and very pearlescent hair that’s got like a sheen to it. She looks like she’s only twelve.

Kan John: How does a twelve-year-old get involved in some sort of forever eternal contract piloting this train?

Slavery. Slavery is still out there in this universe and several of the dimensions, unfortunately. Whether it be a life-debt of slavery as an alternative to them killing you because you did something stupid, or being basically a war trophy, or just them just coming and taking you and you not having the ability to do anything.

(26:00) Daniel: Regarding these shifts in dimension, do you have to be bumped up? Like we hear from the one whistleblower, Daryl James, who said that you have density chambers that bump you up artificially. Have you gone through something like this?

Apollymi: Only if I’m using clone bodies that are not perfect, or hybrid bodies (created to) be avatars. Because my quanta is very high, I don’t usually have a problem in my bodies that are of my original DNA to be jumped up: I can just go there. But the body that I’m in right now, I would definitely have to be in the chambers. And they’re just spherical or cylinder-shaped; it really just depends on who is putting you in them. And then they use the frequency chambers to end up adjusting your body to that frequency so you don’t either explode or your atoms don’t go everywhere.

27:15 Daniel: You also mentioned that you are put in ET avatar bodies. You were usually put in your avatar bodies that matched you, but sometimes in ET bodies. Could you say what the advantages and disadvantages were, and what did they feel like?

Apollymi: It really depended upon the species. Again, not every soul is going to be crammed into a body and be okay with it, because of their quanta and because of the DNA of the body. The fifth era of man that is now is a very marvellous scientific breakthrough when it comes to ET science out there, because almost any soul could be put into a fifth-era-of-man body. For me, and a few other people, it’s very hard for us to be in human bodies of, like, the fourth era and under, because we would just break them down too much.

For certain ETs I seem to be okay. There is a certain amount of hybridization that goes on in the bodies that they put us in because they do want that super-soldier effect; they want to take the best out of certain species and cram it together. Sometimes it’s successful and sometimes it’s not successful.

(34:00) Daniel: You mentioned that at Camp Livingston you managed to get out your shock collars. Can you remember how?

Apollymi: It’s called phasing. It’s basically where you make yourself incorporeal, which is when you vibrate yourself to another dimension, and it allows you to be ghost-like. I can only do it for a couple of seconds, especially when I have the shock collar on, because they do suppress our abilities. So most of the time when I got out of my gear on base was through phasing.

(34:45) Daniel: Also, at Camp Livingston, what was the purpose of them shutting down all your psionic abilities when fighting those ETs?

Apollymi: I asked them this too, because I did meet up with one of the ICC head organization members, because I had a lot to say and I was trying to buy my DNA contracts—I do have credits off-world. And I asked him the same question. I said, “Why did you guys do this?” And he said, “We wanted you to be perfect. You guys are in the Child of God Project, so we wanted you to be absolutely perfect by being able to fight things, to open up your mind, open up your reality”; which basically translates as, “You need to learn how to adapt to situations you don’t have control of.” So, they wanted us to find other methods of boosting our abilities, learning how to hack around things for our abilities, again, how I learned how to control my avatars and control my soul-shards because of their training. They made us think on a completely different level. And they did not stop until you got it. I was in the training program a lot longer than most people who I went in with.

Daniel: Why do factions alternate between abducting you sometimes physically and sometimes just your consciousness?

Apollymi: I guess it really depends on who has me slotted for that day, for scheduling; I can’t tell you.

(36:30) Daniel: You said you managed to get suspended from the SSP; but does that mean you were inactive, or that you got better memory wipes, because it seems like there’s no escaping the SSP.

Apollymi: When I was twelve, twelve and a half, I ended up getting the group together in Section 13, because none of us were happy: we were controlled by the Cabal, they were torturing us, barely feeding us, making us run through the dirt, and I got sick of it and I actually incited a riot. I ended up killing three of the high-ranking members, who had raped me as a child and raped a couple of the other girls as well, and probably even more. But when they were doing that to me, there were three other girls in the room with me, and they were just being completely brutal. I had no remorse; I had no problem with completely annihilating them.

(37:40) Daniel: And switching to Section 13, are those missions still ongoing for you?

Apollymi: Yes.

Daniel: And you said that things changed for the better in 2016 once Trump got in office; did you hear that from their mouths, like it was his doing?

Apollymi: No, Trump actually came to Section 13. Section 13 is literally in Area 51’s general mountain range area. So, when he became president, he had to come check out everything, and he told us; he was like, “I’m going to make things better for you.” He started firing everybody, we got new management, the shock collars came off. We still have our disciplinary devices, which took me awhile to figure out what it was, and it’s actually one of our augments that every SSP has from Section 13. It’s actually in our pituitary gland. But the collars came off. So (the augment) was kind of a little hidden trick, but we started doing shifts instead of being pulled every night to go do missions. Our training abilities got better because we weren’t getting forced into a lot of stuff; they weren’t hounding us as much. And they actually started caring, like, our new med teams, and we even got a psychologist on our team now over there, which is new. Like, they didn’t give two figs for our psychology of what trauma we were going through. A lot of things improved and changed for us. Are we getting a paycheck? Not that I’m aware of; at least I haven’t received money from anything. It would be nice, though. I don’t even want to know the back-pay on that, from five and a half years old up. But things changed a lot. And things changed again when Biden came into office, and not for the better.

(40:00) Daniel: You said that both Section 13 and Project Ashwet were joint efforts of the Dark Fleet and the ICC: is that true?

Apollymi:

(46:00) Discussion of trafficking of intelligent beings

(49:40) Kan John: These races that go around enslaving, are there any other races that are higher than them that will bust in on them and kick their ass and put them in cages? Does anyone give these dark Dracos anything like that—a reality check?

(49:52) Apollymi: The power struggle here is kind of wierd, because some of the dark Draco higher-ups—the ones that have wings and can shape-shift—they actually came from a different universe. And so their coding is a lot higher than the majority of the species down here. So every universe has its own source coding. And if its from a higher dimension and they come over here, they get to keep that coding, which means that their physics and abilities are going to be a lot greater than the ones that were created over here.

Kan John: What do you mean by that? Do these other unverses have names?

Apollymi: Yes, but I don’t really know them all.

Kan John: What’s the name of this universe?

Apollymi: That’s a good question. These are really hard for me because people don’t understand that most of the time it’s in a completely different frequency language. So even if I said it in English it wouldn’t be the actual pronunciation. Like, my actual species talks in frequency pitches and tones. There is no actual spoken— it doesn’t sound like this. It doesn’t sound anything like this. It would be between a harp playing and a bird chirping.

(59:30) How damaged can you be in the battle and still be healed by a med-bed? Is there a limit?

Apollymi: As long as they have some sort of cellular structure, depending on the med-bed. Not every med-bed is super advanced. The older med-beds do not have the 3-D printing technology; they only have the ability to heal certain things. They don’t usually have the “soul forge” technology. It’s basically a scanner that brings your astral body above you, or on the screen. The higher ones have a dome screen around you. And all they have to do is touch it, and the frequencies will heal you. If you’re missing limbs and they feel like it would be better to 3-D print the genetics, then they can do that—especially if the genetics are unstable to begin with. ‘Cause if you try to use the frequencies to heal the genetics on its own—‘cause every DNA has the building blocks of your structure, your form, everything else—then they can use those frequencies to activate that. But the problem is that usually you will grow a new body instead of just your arm. So, they use a 3-D printer for that part. And then, if you’re just a cell, they can throw you in there and then they can do the whole body.

The middle ones are not so bad, either. Any med-bed is better than not having one at all. It replaces just about every piece of equipment in the hospital. Your X-rays, your CAT scans, your MRIs, surgical equipment, everything.

(1:07:00) Discussion of learning and technology

(1:09:00) light language

(1:11:00) Discusses some of her abilities – telekinesis, psycokinesis create lightning “they call me epsilon queen”; phasing through objects I can manipulate someone else’s body, crystalizing beings, turning them black

(1:13:30) Even when I go to the galactic councils and stuff, there are millions of species there. And you’re talking about seeing something the size of a moon on the inside.

(1:14:00) Daniel: You said that you can create portals with your mind. What does it take to do that? What do you have to think about?

Apollymi: You have to know the physics of it. And I started understanding the physics because that’s part of Project Star Gate. We were the (lab rats) that they like to throw through the star gate when they got coordinates and they didn’t know what was on the other side. So, going through that, it manipulates your energy field, and it has its own energy field. So, one of my gifts is mimicking. And it took me years, but I started to learn mimic and figure out the physics of those portals. Am I perfect with it? I’m still not perfect with it. I accidentally parallel-time-jumped myself and three of my teammates running from a mission that we had failed. So, not perfect.

Daniel: So, these were the experimental portals that you did under Project Crest, right?

Apollymi: Yes.

Daniel: Have you ever gotten lost?

(1:16:30) Draco Empire’s claim of ownership of Earth’s solar system

(1:19:00) I’ve met some Andromedans that were jerks.

(1:24:00) What it was like to visit another universe

(1:26:30) Daniel Sala: Have you been briefed in the SSPs about possible upcoming cataclysms?

Apollymi: I have not been briefed by the SSP, but I have been briefed by the Star Seed Council that I worked for. They govern all of the star seed planets in this universe.

Daniel: And what are their intentions with us?

Apollymi: (Laughing) That I cannot truly divulge, I’m sorry. You’re not going to like it, though. That’s all I’ve got to say.

Daniel: Oh. But can you answer this? What does the process of ascension look like to you?

Apollymi: I was working for the Star Seed Council for many years, and I’ve been on quite a few star seed planets. This one is the most messed up; I’m not going to lie. There are worse out there: I just haven’t been assigned to them.

So, ascension can go any way, any way that it possibly could for a planet. I have seen planets that have full [euphoria]. All of the people, or the majority of them, end up on a higher level of consciousness. And this is just like a Buddhist mentality. You’re a lot more tolerant toward people who are different. You understand their views, even though they might be contrary to yours; you’re not violent towards it. You have a higher understanding of physics; and understanding that alone can help ascension, because it will start taking you through the evolutionary steps.

So, I’ve seen planets that fully get certified to be part of the galactic community and not be a threat. And that’s pretty much what ascension is. It is literally seeing an experimental planet with all sorts of humanoids or whatever their experiment is raise their consciousness enough to be let out into the (universe) and not have to be contained. If it is considered a virus and contained, it will be destroyed, after a seed wipe and a second judgment.

1:30:30 Apollymi: I’ve been in this universe a long time relatively, but I have not been in this universe that long. So, I don’t remember the Electric Wars; I don’t remember the first half of the Draconian-Andromedan Wars. I actually came from this universe, from Hinova, which is Central Universe, because I had a job to do. So, I’m being borrowed right now from another entity to do a job here. So, if the cataclysm happens some time before that, I have no clue. I don’t have any information, and the Star Seed Council hasn’t told me anything about that, either. All I know is that there is something going on with the fabric of this universe that is incompatible right now, so it’s causing problems everywhere.

1:31:40 Discussion of Inner Earth

1:51:10 I come from Hinova, so we eat meat, but nothing gets killed, which is why birth days are so important to us, because we take the umbilical cords and take them to our labs and grow the meat stock that we want. Nothing is ever born.

1:58:45 Kan John: What races—and of course we all know there’s reptilians—but what races eat humans, and what races keep humans as pets?

1:59:00 Any race can eat a human; humans eat humans. So, it really depends on the person. And you can actually find human meat at certain restaurants out in space, and other ET species as well.

Kan John: Name the most predominant restaurant. Like, what’s their equivalent of Ruth Chris out there?

I don’t know the names of ‘em! I don’t know the names of ‘em! I know you can find some in the Draco Constellation, the Orion Constellation, the Pleiades, uh, what is that other place that I was at?

Kan John: It’s like flambé?

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Hosted by Chantelle Meyburgh and Morné Venter

April 24, 2022

In today’s connection with Jessie Czebotar, we touch on some sensitive issues. These include the twelve-year old rituals, the “red shoe” club, the child-hunting parties and Project Looking Glass. There may be an interesting tidbit or two for fellow South Africans as we learn of a countryman (Elon Musk) and his involvement in the Brotherhood.

Transcript

CHANTELLE: Hi, again, everyone. It’s so good to be back with Jessie Czebotar. . . .We did quite a bit last week, so, what I’d like to kick off with right now is part of your childhood journey again. So, you were working with the cell of your training partner; I think you mentioned a few other boys that were in your cell group to train for certain things.

(3:00) JESSIE: Yeah. So, I had two different cell groups, and they were all boys. So, the core group, there were three of us, and then when we had our broader group, there were five.

So, I’ve talked about these people on a few other shows. I can’t say names — we have to respect privacy in that — but I’ve come up with nicknames. There were childhood nicknames we had anyway. So, for the broader group, two of those boys were Rothschilds. And I usually only saw them when I was doing training with Laurie at the chateau, or when we were at family things, like at the hunting lodge or bigger rituals. So, I did see one of their twelve-year-old rituals, which we can talk about later.

One of those boys we called Encyclopedia. He was great in the fact that he never forgot a detail about— he knew all the history, he’d give tours of all the houses or mansions we were in — he was just this vast amount of knowledge. And so, I and my training partner had kind of figured out early on, because our our main concern was always safety and wanting to know, if we’re in a certain place, where we are at, where can we go if we need to get into a safe place. So, it afforded us the perfect opportunity: we’d follow him around and be looking for all the secret entrances, we’d be looking for all the stairwells, and he knew the map of of where we were at. So, he didn’t know that that was what we were using him for, but it worked out on our end.

The other one was pretty young: he was just a little, little toddler. So, he was somebody that we would— we deeply loved and adored and didn’t want any of the harm to come to him. So a lot of times this little one, he was the first child that we would grab, and and we would hide him with us and just keep him quiet. And I know that there was abuse that happened to him when we all weren’t together, but at these big hunting parties and stuff, he was with us, so we know he didn’t experience some of the stuff that the other kids did. They would search for him, and so it gets scary, because if we got caught, I usually was not the one who got in trouble most the time: it was my training partner who would take the full brunt of the punishment.

Hunting parties

(6:50) JESSIE: So, at the hunting parties they would— they’d have all these expendable children outside in the woods. And usually they have holding grounds, like a tunnel system or something underground, where they hold the kids in cages until the time of the hunt. And the hunt usually happens later, once it’s dark outside.

And so what they’ll do is they’ll make a perimeter, which is pretty large, of these woods, and they’ll station the different elite people around the perimeter. And then when they give the go, they release the kids, and the kids are told just to run, to hide, and that’s when the elite will go through the woods and start hunting for them. When they catch them, a lot of times they will first sexually abuse them, and then they’ll kill them. So not everybody will get killed in that situation. If they don’t, then they’re used for other hunts. But there were kids that I saw who were really good survivors, and they would just continuously have to relive this trauma.

(8:25) So, those were the kids on the outside, and then, because we were hierarchy kids, we were on the inside. And so, on the inside, usually in the house or the lodge, you would have the older men who were too old — sometimes it did include women — but they were too old to be out in the woods hunting for the kids, so they brought everything indoors for those individuals. And those individuals were not allowed to kill, but they were allowed to capture and rape the hierarchy children. So, once the signal was given that the hunt was on, you were just trying to escape, hide and not be found. And sometimes they would make it seem for the kids like it was a hide-and-seek game; so, unless you got caught, you really didn’t know what happened.

We found out [what happened] because one time we were at the lodge and we had— we had grabbed the youngest Rothschild and we had gone upstairs. And there was like a laundry chute, and that’s where we were trying to get to, was to be in that chute and try to make our way downstairs to the basement. But we didn’t make it that far. I’ll just say, Jacob Rothschild we found was already up there, and we heard he was pulling one of the kids with him. And so, we just snuck into the first room that we could find, and there was this huge wardrobe in there. And so, we got inside that wardrobe, but we picked the wrong room, because that was the room he pulled the child into.

(10:40) And so, many of these older gentlemen, it’s not just for sexual pleasure that they rape these children: they do it for sex magic. So, he started to do the magic spells and incantations with this child, and was telling the child to do his part of the incantations. And I got really, really mad. So, I guess it probably was my non-verbal language, because we weren’t saying anything; we were trying not to move. But I started . . . looking out the crack of the wardrobe, and all of a sudden I just feel this hand come around me and pull me back, and it was my training partner. And when he did stuff like that, it was like, “If you move or say a word, I’m going to kill you.” Like, that’s what I knew he was thinking. And he had seen the little guy was really, really scared about what was happening, and he was trying to keep him from crying. So we watched that whole thing. And so, that’s how we became privy to what was going on behind the scenes. And then after that incident, there were several other incidents we saw.

(12:00) So, most of it was just trying to survive through that and not— You know, the one time when my training partner did— like, we said something, and they hauled him out to an old well and they dropped him in that. And he was down there for a couple of hours. And we’d call those, the wells or the deep holes, we would just call “the pits.” And that was a form of punishment, where they would throw you down there and you were just down there, cold and sometimes wet. Sometimes there were strange creatures down there, so there were times you had to fight to survive, and you couldn’t see what you were fighting: it was pitch dark.

So, that was one of their favorite forms of punishment for us. Sometimes, for us, they would stick us in rooms with adults who had weapons, and it was either they survived or we survived. So it was like an automatic— they put us in this automatic combat situation where we had to make a choice to take life or to die. So, that was that was pretty difficult. But that’s what—

CHANTELLE: How old were you when this was going on that are you talking about now?

JESSIE: That particular one, I was probably five going on six. So, that was like one of the first. That was in 1982, so I think I was about five.

So, that was kind of the first ones. So, those two [the Rothschilds] we usually only saw, like I said, at the rituals or during training. They did train us for a specific— it’s not necessarily a ritual: it’s used with a type of spell that you would cast and it’s called a quintet. And so, they’d have all five of us at the point of a pentagram, and we all had different types of elemental magic that we were specialized in. And they would use that magic to harvest energy and have us try to create light beams as weapons and stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(15:15) So, that was kind of where— when we were together, most of the time the focus was on those things. So, usually we’d end up at their place early in the morning and we’d get to wander the grounds. We’d have time before training began, and then usually the afternoons and evening was when we had the training. And then, I was trying to think if there’s any— I know you wanted to talk about the red shoes today, so I’m going to share this story, because then it will go with that.

So, I want to share one more brief one with those boys. We had an incident where we had found that underneath one of the mansions there was a a metal door down in the basement, that if you went through that door, it literally was an underground graveyard that extended the whole extent of the house. So, it was like all these pebbles and stones, and then there was cement, I guess graves, that were placed there, and then there would be a cement slab over the grave.

So, when we had been in the library the one time, Encyclopedia had told us this story about a man who had red shoes. And he had been buried with this wooden toy, and there was a child who wanted that toy, and so he had gone looking for it, and supposedly somehow he ended up in the grave as well. And so, the story was that this boy and the toy were still there.

(17:00) So, we had found out the name of the guy with the red shoes, and so, we got down there, and it was just me, my training partner, and the youngest Rothschild at first. And we jimmied that big slab of cement off that grave and got in there to see it. And we could verify, yes, that the guy was buried in red shoes, and there was a child in there with him, and we did find the toy. And so we gave that to the youngest Rothschild. But it was interesting: it was this wooden horse with an old, like, colonial soldier that had been carved out and stuff.

So, right after we had done that, all of a sudden, Encyclopedia came in and was like, “We gotta get out of here; we gotta get out of here! We’re going to get in trouble!” He liked to keep us all in line. And so, we were trying to get the cement thing back on. Well, as we’re doing that, from the far side of the house, all of a sudden we hear, like, this demonic, like, roar, like a roaring starting, and this demon was coming. And we were like, “Oh, shoot!” And we were just going to run out the door, and Encyclopedia was like, “No, no, no! We got to put the slab back, or we’re all going to get it!” So we were, like, trying to shove that back on before this demon came at us.

(19:00) And so, finally, we got it back on. We grabbed the youngest one, we’re running out the door. And it’s pitch dark at that point; like, we can’t see once we leave that room and close the big metal door — that hallway was dark. And so, we were trying to feel around, and Encyclopedia was like, “We’ve gotta lock the door!” and we’re like, “Forget locking the door!”

And then we heard that his dad was coming. So, he was still insistent on locking the door. So I think it was the little guy, who’s like one and barely can walk very well. I think he was almost two, but he was in front: he can’t see anything. I’m hanging on to his shirt while I’m pushing him forward. My training partner’s behind me, shoving me, and I’m trying not to trip over the little guy. And then Encyclopedia was behind us. And we finally— like, we’re running through this hallway, pitch dark, like we just had a hand along the walls so we could feel where the wall was; we knew it was straight all the way to the end. And at the end, you kind of went up these stairs, and there was a door on the left that went outside, and then there were more stairs that went up.

We had just got to that platform where the door was, and thankfully, my training partner was a quick thinker, and so he had opened the door and then he closed it. So, when Encyclopedia’s dad came around the corner and saw us, it looked and sounded like we had all just come in from outside. And so, that saved us, and none of us got— You know, we’re all just standing there, and like, “Oh, hi. We had fun outside.”

CHANTELLE: Normal kids playing! [laughter]

Right, right. And so, we had that toy behind the little guy’s back, so they didn’t know that we had done anything. So, I don’t know— like, I know Encyclopedia had probably taken control of helping to hide that item that we had stolen.

Elon Musk

(21:30) So, that was part of that. And then, my core group of three, sometimes there was an extra child that we would call “E”, and “E” was closer to my age. Like, Encyclopedia was probably about five to ten years older than me, but this “E” was closer to my age, and he was part of my core group of three with my training partner. And he was more involved with the government experiments that we did. So, he was the one that they had pulled in to do the Looking Glass project with me and my training partner.

(22:20) So, why I’m kind of wanting to talk about these boys is that that child, he was from South Africa. [That] was one of the prominent areas his family lived in. There were some special things about his family. They knew how to hand-procure a special— they called it a perfume, and that perfume had special ingredients from some of the islands, particularly the Canary Islands. And so, once a year, they would make this perfume and they would bring that to the queen mother of darkness and present that as her gift once a year from their family line.

(23:00) So, he was the one that they brought in to do these experiments with us. And with the Looking Glass project, they use three children, and what they call “going through the looking glass” means that you’re literally— like you’re connecting into the spiritual world. So, it’s really a form of clairvoyance or divination. You’re accessing the spiritual world and then connecting to demonic spirits that are there that teach you and train you how to see the future. Sometimes you do see the past.

(24:00) And so, each of us, though, had— like, our gift to be able to see into that spirit world was slightly different. So, like for me, I always saw the end-picture of an event or a situation. And you never knew; like, there wasn’t necessarily a way to control what you were going to see. So, as you were looking into the spirit world, you would just see, and the three of us would see kind of the same thing, but we would see it from different perspectives. And then they would pull us out, and we would have to recite word-for-word what we saw, what we heard, what we felt, and they would compare those things to get the whole picture.

And so, I usually only saw the end-result, and usually it was very clear, where I could detail exactly every little detail of that end-result. “E” could only see step-by-step; like, he couldn’t see what the end was, but he would see what steps led up to that end-point. And then my training partner, he could see kind of all the steps and all the consequences. Like, if you took that step, what would happen? And so, they would kind of use it as a triple-accountability to maneuver their decision-making for certain situations. So, they would kind of know the time-frame, they would know what was expected, and they would know things that were going to happen that would lead up to that expected situation.

(26:00) CHANTELLE: Can I just ask you something? So, were they able to manipulate the energies to create a certain outcome?

JESSIE: That’s what they would try to do. Yeah, that’s what they would try to do was use that information so that if the end-result was not what they wanted, they would look through, “Well, at which step do we need to change and try to manipulate that outcome?”

There were some things, a lot of it was apocalyptic end-time things. There were a few times I felt bad, because we really threw “E” under the bus. But I and my training partner could communicate without directly talking to each other, so, we were more— like, if I saw a vision, then he would know. Like, I could tell him what I saw, and we could do that without “E” knowing the full picture. There were some things that we knew they were going to try to manipulate, and all of us, we were all trying to get out. So, it was like, “What can we say at what point to give them the wrong picture so that they make the wrong choice and things end up so we can have a better chance of getting out?” So, there were a few times we outright lied about what we saw.

(27:45) We did have, like, when they pulled us into more of the operational experiments — or actually, they were operational military projects — we did operate with a group of men who were trained in this as well. And so, that was a team of— there were five guys, so, there were five of us kids at that time. And two of those guys were— I never saw any evil from them; I would— in my world, they were good men. So, I’ll say two of these men in these experiments were good, and the one, he knew that we were lying about things and he helped cover that up. So, he never revealed, as far as we knew, that we were lying about some of those things. That individual now is currently working with our government with some of these things to rescue children. So, that gets kind of interesting, how it all kind of loops back around.

(29:00) With “E”, he was a very intelligent, bright child. He was always playing with tinker toys or different— those connects (K’nex), and he was always building things, building models. One of the things that I’ve shared about him was that the Illuminati was using the Frank Lloyd Wright houses as auction houses for selling kids. Part of their cover-up they did through art projects. So, at these Frank Lloyd Wright houses, sometimes the auctions would be under the guise of art sales. And I talked about on Good Dog’s show that sometimes that artwork included pieces of children or ground dust, the paint might have been mixed with some of the ashes or dust that were left over from those things.

One of the first ones that we did — and this was me, my training partner and “E” — so, there was a a piece where we had paint, and we did our hand prints. And so we did our hand prints all around, and that piece sold for quite a bit of money. And then one of the first very intricate connect pieces that “E” did, Jacob Rothschild purchased that and had that in his library. And so later, when we were at their house, we saw that piece in his library.

(31:00) And so, for them, when they bought this artwork, they believed it connected them to that child’s soul, that it gave them special abilities to— it’s not the same as handling, but it was almost like a soul-tie, that they could call on your energies or your spirit if they were doing magic. They could include your energy or spiritual powers while they were doing that ritual or magic. So whoever they owned, they believed it was just another piece of power that they had.

CHANTELLE: I would like to know about the red shoes. We see the pope regularly walking around with these red shoes. We see a group of very powerful world leaders — I’ve seen Tom Hanks, I’ve seen the Podesta guy. A couple of them I can’t remember their names, but there’s a whole group of guys that wear these bright red shoes. Can you help us understand what that’s about, please?

(32:40) JESSIE: Yeah. So, when you are in the Illuminati, you specialize in different forms of magic or different— they call them orders. The easiest way to explain that is, if you look at, like, the Masons, they have a lot of different orders that you could join. You can be a part of all of those orders if you want, or you can select one or two and really specialize in those. So, across the systems, it kind of works the same way. You would just get different orders that you’re connected to. So, you’ve got the Masons, you’ve got the Jesuits, you’ve got the Kabbalah.

(33:30) The Satanists and the Mormons usually are not involved with the red shoes; that’s not usually a sign of what they’re into. So, mostly you’re going to find that people who are wearing those are part of the Jesuit and the Kabbalah esoteric levels of the Illuminati. So, it signifies that they’re pretty high in their levels. They don’t usually go by degrees in those two departments, but it would be comparable to the Masonic branch who would— you’d be above a 33-degree Mason when you get those red shoes.

And it usually signifies a very significant kind of higher-level ritual killing. And the shoes— the shoes are made out of a child’s skin. And usually you’ll see they get significant rings with diamonds in them. The more children they kill, a lot of them like to have those diamond trophies that they wear around.

CHANTELLE: So that would be the same child. Would they themselves have sacrificed the child whose shoes he was wearing?

JESSIE: Yes, usually, yes.

CHANTELLE: And then that child would then— the rest of its organs and things get trafficked as we spoke about the last time, whatever, and then they would take the remains and incinerate it?

(35:30) JESSIE: Yeah. Usually they don’t have anything to do with that part of the process; they have individuals whose job it is to do that part. They would just receive the diamond or the ring after it’s done.

(36:00) CHANTELLE: And, yeah, the pope walks around with red shoes on, so—

JESSIE: And their diamond rings are pretty extensive.

CHANTELLE: And would those be their trophy diamonds that they wear?

JESSIE: I believe that they are. That’s my personal opinion, but I believe that they are. And you see later those are offered for massive amounts of money once the pope stops wearing them.

CHANTELLE: You said something earlier, that the Satanists are not necessarily part of the red shoe club. But isn’t Satanism that they do blood sacrifices, they do child sacrifices? But just not in the same way or in the same level that these guys with red shoes use the skins?

JESSIE: Right. There’s different— You should remember that across the board in each of these departments, different people will bring their philosophies that they’ve connected with. So, a lot of the Satanists, unless you’re in the really high levels, the majority of them are more into what we call white or gray magic. So, they may get to the point of sacrificing animals, but most of the time a lot of them practice the white magic, which, with the white magic, they don’t do any sacrifices at all, but they still call on the same— they invoke the same demons.

(37:40) The majority of those people deal with lower or mid-level demons, so they’re not dealing with the the general demons that I grew up with. Once you’re dealing with the general demons or the higher-level demons, those are the bloodlusty demons and they demand— like if you’re hosting that demon, they demand blood. And I know very few — it would probably be less than five people — who have made it to those higher levels without ever sacrificing or killing. But the cost is that they have to give their own blood, and it [requires] more and more each time. All of those individuals suffer from major seizures, so, the demons will kind of try to take over that way. Most of the higher-level people, if they’ve got those general demons, they’re— usually it’s only like a five-to-ten-year relationship, and then the demons will kill them and and go on to another host.

CHANTELLE: Do they actually murder them, or do the people actually end up dying because this energy is just too much to work through their body?

JESSIE: No, the deaths that I saw were pretty graphic. My arch-nemesis demon is Moloch, and he literally will rip his hosts apart from the inside out. So, he shreds them to pieces when he’s done with them.

CHANTELLE: When he wants more.

JESSIE: Yeah, yeah. Usually has— I mean, all of them usually have more than one host at a time but they just— they go from one host to the other. They can’t be in all of them at the same time.

The Ritual of Blasphemy (part of summer solstice celebrations)

(40:00) CHANTELLE: What I’d like to ask you about is maybe to go into some detail around the twelve-year-old ceremonies. I’m very intrigued by that, because twelve is quite a significant age, obviously. I think that would be the age that we go into puberty, so there are definitely some biological changes in the body at that stage. And I’m just interested from this perspective, from the Luciferian cult, why twelve? What happens at twelve, and why? Is it a spiritual transformation? Is that a good age for them to connect with their demons? And also, can you explain to us here what happens at these ceremonies? I’ve read some and I’ve heard some awful stories about a specific pool scene as well, swimming pools.

(40:50) JESSIE: Yeah. So, with the twelve-year-old rituals, it is a part of that rite of passage, but that’s the age that they choose that will be when the child takes his first blasphemy. So, up until that point, the children have been abused, they’ve been taught sex magic, but it’s always that they’re the victim in that situation. At age twelve is when they make the choice that they’re in. So, they’re declaring it’s their life choice, and it’s the first time that they become the perpetrators.

(41:30) So, it goes along with the hunt as well. So, I did see two twelve-year-old rituals with the boys that I grew up with, and they did happen at Gloria Vanderbilt’s. Well, let me say, the one did not; the second one did happen at Gloria Vanderbilt’s. But they did a hunt first, and the hunt is meant to kind of — I hate to use this word, but it’s kind of the foreplay. So, they’ll put the boys out in the woods. It’s not really like a hunt to kill on their end: they’re learning that this is their first time doing the hunt, being the perpetrator.

(42:30) But they will have— they’ll have girls then, and the girls are trained to seduce the boys and kind of create this foreplay situation where they’re excited but they don’t get to do anything at that point during the hunt. So, those are a little bit— it’s kind of hard to explain. It’s not the same as the regular hunts, ritual hunts that they do. So, this one is a little bit different and it usually happens around the summer solstice. It’s part of that ritual.

And so, after they’ve had the boys, part of this summer-solstice ritual hunt, then that was where I witnessed— Like, I don’t know if this is the same in every situation, but the twelve-year-old ritual I saw, we went from the woods and that ritual to the pool. And it really was actually a boat— like an area where you would take your boats to clean. So that’s originally what it’s meant for. It wasn’t like a swimming pool: it was more of a boat-cleaning area.

(44:00) And I and my training partner, my proctor, were up— like, there was a scaffolding, kind of wood walkway up above. And so we were up there and looking down. And kind of like where the middle was, they had a whole bunch of ropes hanging, and they would hang the twelve-year-old in those ropes. And they were— they were naked.

CHANTELLE: Are these the hierarchy kids?

JESSIE: Yeah, the twelve-year-old was the hierarchy child who was going through the ritual. So, he’d be hung in that middle area down in the pool area. And then along all the sides they had other ropes, and so, then they had expendable children that would be murdered in that ritual that were hanging from the ropes that were on the side. And they usually— like, the ropes just kind of went like a U-shape, and so they’d have the child— like the rope would be under their armpits holding them up, and then they’d have their hands tied behind their back and their feet tied so they couldn’t go anywhere.

(45:20) So, with that ritual, what I saw happen was that the high priest and the other people who were then going to be what we consider the apprentices, or the individuals who would be guiding that child then through his life and his career, and making sure he had everything he needed to fulfill his position, those were the ones that were involved in the ritual. And they would sexually rape the child, we’ll just say from every direction that they could. It was all at the same time, so kind of a gang-rape type thing. As they were doing that, they would be telling the child, “You want this. This is your big day. You’re going to renounce God and take your position in the Brotherhood and you want this.” And so they are leading the child and telling him exactly what he needs to do and say.

And then, once the child says his blasphemy against God, the child then would be released, and the first thing that they have to do is murder with their hands. But they basically cannibalize— start to cannibalize the other children that are hung around, and then everybody would get involved in that. So, there was a lot of blood that would be all over and all around.

(47:00) So, that was what we call the first blasphemy ritual. And then from that point on, they’re considered a full member of the Brotherhood. They’re bound by all the rules, which the number-one rule is secrecy. The second one is that you keep your brother’s secrets and you help him hide and cover up his secrets, and you never [betray your brother]. Everybody who is your teacher, you’re— the person you do your apprenticeships under, you’re privy to their secret life and you never reveal anything about that secret life.

(48:00) CHANTELLE: So. . . obviously those kids that you witnessed having that happen to them would be in top positions now. So, those twelve-year-olds would be holding some very high positions in society now.

JESSIE: Yes, that is correct: they do.

CHANTELLE: And it’s like every child begins its journey innocently, and through this abuse — the torture, the rape — their mind gets completely turned around. I think it was something I was saying the last time we chatted about that redemption thing, and it’s like that moment I think that there’s that split between good and evil, so to speak.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: But they don’t really have a choice, do they? I mean, they don’t have a choice.

JESSIE: No.

CHANTELLE: So, it’s so indoctrinated. . . . Sorry, carry on.

JESSIE: Yeah, no, I was just going to say they really don’t have a choice. For most of them, by that time they’re well aware if they don’t do this that there’s gonna be more death, more consequences. The threat of death is never necessarily towards the child at that point, because a lot of the children at that point would choose death as a way out. So they’ll hold everything else in front of the child, hold the people that they love the people they connect to those are the lives that are put on the line and threatened if they don’t follow through on this. And by that point we all had seen the horrific torturous deaths you don’t want to see that happen to anybody you love, so you go through with it.

CHANTELLE: Yeah and I think you the word you use with posture you get incredible posture where you have to stand and observe this and not shed a tear, because if you shed a tear or try to intervene, it just becomes that much worse, right? And at a spiritual level, that’s the part Satan wants to get people’s hearts at is that it’s no longer you just looking at the evil but you’re embracing that experience you’re at a spiritual level you are now— your knowledge is is not just that about that evil but you are intimately acquainted with it because you’ve participated in it.

But then it goes this two steps farther. The first step is that the enemy gets these people to believe that this is what they want, that they want to do this and they enjoy doing it. And then the next step is that they want it and enjoy it so much that they’re going to get others to do the same thing. So they then start to applaud and encourage other people to do it as well.

(52:00) CHANTELLE: Are these kids given drugs such as adrenochrome or anything before these these rituals?

JESSIE: Yes, that is one of the times that they do. There’s different proofs of adrenochrome, so on a daily basis, I’m sure many of these kids were like me, where they were hiding it in our food and we didn’t know we were getting a daily dose of it, which you learn to function on. But then if they give a little bit more, it brings you into this psychosis. So, yeah they— with that psychosis you just have no control over your actions. And it does cause you to have the most horrific thoughts and you just have all this pent-up anger and rage and destruction, where that’s what allows them to do what they do in those rituals.

CHANTELLE: And so, these kids will be given this, and that would be their first moment of— is that the first time they cannibalize another human being, at the twelve-year-old ritual?

(54:00) JESSIE: The first time where they initiate that, yes. So, they might have been exposed to eating human flesh before that, but it’ll be the first time that they kill and initiate that cannibalization.

CHANTELLE: Would that then be when they are connected to their demon?

JESSIE: Some of them, yes. Some of them have generational family spirits that they inherit, so those could— usually there’s a ritual they go through at age five to get those spirits. And then, if they have a family member who dies and they get to inherit those spirits, that could be at any age, right? So I wouldn’t say that that’s the first time that they get connected to their spirits. Usually by the time you’re age ten you’re fully trained, so you already are connected to your major spirits. And then you know how to to do warfare with those spirits, how to invoke them, how to summon them. I do believe from the two that I saw, they did get an extra or a special spirit during that ritual, but the majority of their spirits they already had before that point. . . .

(57:00) CHANTELLE: But I want to ask you, in terms of compassion, you’ve been through so much. I know your proctor, there’s a close connection there. And after you’ve been forced into such a terrible system, how do you deal with that? How do you deal with her? How do you deal with the people that were involved that are possibly still close to you? How do you find your compassion? Because you’ve got such an amazing love that fills your spirit and the work that you’re doing . . . There’s a lot of compassion in you. How do you find that after what you’ve been through?

(58:00) Yeah. I think that stems from two things. First, as a child I saw that reality. Because I could hear and see in the spirit world, many times I could see the struggle that these individuals were having with the spirits or with Satan. So, in my mind, I recognized that the true enemy was Satan and these bloodlusty demons. And that they had a lot of control, they had a lot of ways to make— They’d always say that really it was these people, it was their will their desire to participate in this evil. But what it came down to was that all of us, we do have— A scripture says, “Every inclination of the heart is evil.” There’s that piece of us that’s inclined towards that, but at the same time, there’s that piece of us that’s inclined to truth and to God.

The enemy plays a really big role in that, that many of these people are brought up as Christians or in a Christian environment, in the church. So, they’re taught the good things about God, they’re taught how to love one another, how to interact in a good way in humanity, and that’s their cover lives. And then the other part, they’re faced with that deep, deep evil wickedness that has no bounds. And when they come to that point that they’ve got to make that choice, it really comes down to that they don’t have a choice. The enemy— a lot of them are so fearful, they’re so bound, they’re so captive that in their mind they cannot even conceive that God could love them because of the things that they’ve done. And the enemy really makes it seem like this was your choice. So, there’s so much guilt and shame that they really— a lot of them get this kind of rebellious attitude where they’re like, “Yes, I’m going to embrace this fully; this is what I want; this is who I am.”

Behind some of that, you’ve got the demonic spirits. So, some of those people are fighting mental control with those spirits, where they’ll black out if they want to choose— If they’re going to choose that good route, right at that moment the spirit will cause them to black out and the spirit takes control of their body. Next thing they know, there’s pictures, there’s evidence that they’ve done horrific things.

So, when they take their blasphemy, they are fully in their right mind. Will they remember it the next day? They might not. Sometimes they do different types of things to affect the memory so that these people, they go into program mode, where they don’t even on a conscious level know that they’ve done this. They just live their cover-lives and then during bedtime when they’re sleeping, all of a sudden the enemy could call them up, and they just go and do things, and then the next day they wake up, and if they have any recollection, they just think they were having nightmares or bad dreams. So, they don’t have full conscious mental control after.

(1:02:00) With my proctor, it was really difficult, because from the get-go, I knew she wanted to kill me; she wanted me dead. She made that very clear. And yet all I wanted was, I wanted us all to get out. I knew how bad it was. And so my compassion went to the extent — and my anger was really behind it — there was only one way I could see to get back at Satan and these demons, and that was if I— in my own words — if I stole every single one of his top people from him. And I knew the only way to do that was to bring them to the Lord and to get them out. So, that became the driving passion for me, that it was like, “I’m going to love no matter how hard it is. I’m going to love, I’m going to forgive, I’m going to keep reaching out, I’m going to keep building those relationships, I’m going to keep engaging. I’m gonna show them how to live and how to experience that redemption.”

(1:03:00) Probably the most real conversation I ever had with my proctor was about Mother Teresa. And she had read her book, and so I said, “Well, tell me about that.” And she said, “Well, I just can’t understand how this person, she continued to invest in people who didn’t amount to anything.” And I was like, “But why did that stir your heart? What about that touched you?” And her response was, “I don’t think anybody is worthy of that kind of love.” And it was like, “But you are. God loves you that much.”

And we got into this really interesting conversation about God and his love, and the extent, can God can forgive every sin? Is there hope? Is there redemption? So, she’s very aware of those things, but has never come to that point in her heart yet where she takes that final step.

(1:04:30) So, for me I try to think of their humanity. That’s part of why I tell their stories as part of mine, because it shows people that these are regular people, that the people who are adults now who are running this system, at one point they were children just like me. We didn’t really get to play — we had very serious adult-like lives at a young age — but we were fighting the tunes we were still there was still that mischievous childhood at points. There were those things we did to get even with the adults; there were things that we did to get out of the evil or to avoid it. And allowing people to see that side of them I think really speaks a lot to their lives, that all of us could have ended up in that position. We look at now, I see a lot of people who are like, “No, they’re— they’re—“

(1:05:50) And I have to make a disclaimer here, because I do work with a lot of the mothers who have children who are in that position where they are horrifically sexually abused and tortured, and they’re trying to get their kids out of the system. And with that comes a lot of anger towards the people who are causing that harm. And I feel that, too. It’s not that I don’t feel that or that I think these people should get a free pass. The point of surrender for me came where I had to give God that right to [decide] whatever the justice is. Even if I have to watch these people die, is there a way I can still be with them in that as they are taking the consequence of what their sins deserve? And that’s it’s a hard place to be. . . .

(1:08:25) JESSIE: And that’s the key word there is that responsibility. A lot of them don’t want to get to that point where they are taking the responsibility.
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CHANTELLE: Jessie thank you so much for being with us again I think you are bringing so much light and so much healing and so much awareness to our beautiful planet, and thank you for your sunshine.

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Connecting with Jessie Czebotar 001~ Recorded Sept 2020

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Our first chat on this channel is with the inspiring Jessie Czebotar. We couldn’t have wished someone better to join us for our ‘maiden voyage’. Jessie became a Christian at the age of three years old, and not too long after that, she was forced into the Satanic cult and Illuminati by a close family member. She was groomed for the highest position in the illuminati, the Queen Mother of Darkness.

Thanks to her unwavering faith, she never succumbed, and as a small child endured horrors that no one should ever experience. Yet, here she is, telling her tale, and her experiences have proved invaluable as she today is very involved with assisting in clearing out the tunnels where millions of children have been bred, kept and abused in the most horrific ways. She is bringing to light a darkness which this world needs to be aware of, and has been going in since the beginning of time. Since we are in South Africa and Namibia, we naturally have a special interest in how all this affects here. In our first chat with Jessie, we touch on child trafficking in Africa, with a question mark above the Oprah Winfrey Academy for Girls. There have been several scandals relating to sexual misconduct over the years, some of which have been covered up. Is it possible Oprah is not that squeaky clean? Listen in to what Jessie has to say.

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CHANTELLE: Well, hello, everybody, and a huge big welcome to Jessie is a boat up now this is the first time I’ve actually ever interviewed someone, so I’m hoping my little virgin voyage is going to go wonderfully well. But this is for our YouTube channel, Aquarius Rising, which is where we— These are such changing times that we’re dealing with in our lives at this point, and I think this lockdown for everyone globally has been such a massive wake-up call. I thought I was quite awake and red-pilled until I read until I came across Jessie Czebotar, who is here now.

Jessie is quite a phenomenal woman I’m gonna ask her to to to just give a little bit of an introduction and a background into where she’s come from, and then also you know we’re just gonna take it from there and see where we actually go with this. So, I’m very excited, and I really hope that you guys get as much out of these interviews as what I certainly have. It’s not pretty, it’s not nice, but it is certainly so necessary for us to understand the world we’re living in, where we’re going, and really how to change things for ourselves and for the future, for our kids. And that’s really what I would like to focus on.

So, Jessie, welcome and thank you so, so much for being part of, as I said, my first journey. I couldn’t have wished for someone better and I am so in awe and inspired by your journey, and I would love to share that with our South African and our African audience, as much as what we can. So, maybe I can hand over to you now so you can just give us a little bit of an insight, and where you come from, what you’ve done, and what brought us together.

JESSIE: Yeah. So, I think what kind of brought us together in this current day, I have my degree in hospital chaplaincy. Over the past few years, the focus of that has changed where I’m working more with teams that are working against child trafficking. So, because of my specialty childhood background, which we’ll get into, the Lord really was using a lot of that where I’m able to, you know, help locate where rituals are going to be happening, what time of the year they’re happening at, the locations, the dates, the possible people involved in those areas, and where they’re possibly holding kids for ritual or other, you know— they’re trafficking them. So, that’s kind of how things got started.

(3:30) So, my background is that actually was trained to be the successor for the queen mother of darkness for the Luciferian Brotherhood/Illuminati. So, with that training, you know, it entailed that— I— I’ve talked— I’ve done some videos about how that Luciferian/Illuminati system works. And it’s very much like a business. So, if you think of a business, the queen mothers of darkness, they would be the individuals who were at the very top, who were running and overseeing everything. Part of their job was to choose and select who is going to do what positions, who is suited for different aspects of of the overall work of the system, and to maintain it and keep it running.

CHANTELLE: Wow. And you’ve had quite a journey through that experience. Maybe, if you wouldn’t mind, could you give us just a little bit of background as to how you got into that?

JESSIE: Yeah so, it really began probably around age four and a half. Prior to that, I had no clue that I had relatives in this system at all. My mother had, you know, she grew up, but had had some of the abuse as a child, but they had convinced her that any memories that she had, you know, that she was crazy. So, she grew up pretty broken. She knew there was a lot of abuse at home, and when she was 18 she fled to the military to escape that.

That’s where she met my father, and they married, and then a couple of years later, we had our house pipes froze. And at that point, we moved in with one of my dad’s siblings who was a Christian, and he ended up taking my mom and me to church. And I’ve shared this story several times, but I’ll share it again. I had this amazing Sunday school teacher: her name was Lily. And this woman, without even knowing it, really became one of the most vital people in my life. You know, a lot of people who work with little kids—especially, you know, that nursery age, infant to age two—they will water down things. You know, they’ll water down the Bible stories; they’ll give very basic, you know, Bible songs, and they’ll just really water it down for the kids, make it kid-friendly. But she was not one of those people to do that, you know. She would sit me down on her lap, she’d open up her Bible and she would read straight from scripture to me.

And I can remember, you know, the the book she actually was reading was the Book of John. And my heart would leap, like I knew it was true. And, you know, she would read the story about John the Baptist and how, you know, that he was he was a forerunner. He was telling people, “Get ready, because Jesus is coming,” and I knew that was absolutely true. And so, you know, I’d leave Sunday school and I would go— I would tell everybody, you know. It didn’t matter where we went. If we went to the grocery store, or wherever we went, I was telling everybody, “Get ready; Jesus is coming,” you know?

And so, she really, you know, through reading scripture, and then she taught me a bunch of hymns. Those things, you know, like I said, became vital tools in the little tool belt that I had going into the system. You know, unbeknownst to anybody, a year after that, or I guess actually it was probably like a year and a half after I was done with Sunday school with her, that’s when my occultic training began. We moved in with other relatives, and those individuals were the individuals who were involved and were part of the selection process for bringing me into the occult. And they had observed my spiritual gifts and, you know, began training.

So, you know, with those little tools that I had, you know, that really was what got me through, what helped me cope, what helped me, you know, fight demonic spirits, whatever type of witchcraft they were using, you know? I just had the very basics, I guess, of scripture and bible songs to fight that with.

CHANTELLE: One of the things I really find amazing, after having listened to your story before, as well, is— is that you you so saw that as the framework for where you were going next. I think that is, I think for me, in what I do as well and what I believe, it is completely God already giving you that that opportunity— no, no, I wouldn’t say the opportunity, but the tools, rather, you know, for your soul to go through and carry that through. Because I have— I mean, what— what an amazing journey you’ve had, and— and— and and the fact that you— you— you’re here, you’re alive, and you’re telling your story. I mean, that is amazing.

So, I think forced into the system you were you were pretty much forced into the system i think you said at the age of three, right?

JESSIE: Four and a half.

CHANTELLE: Four and a half, okay. So, then, can you maybe just give us a little bit of info on that, a little bit of what you went through there?

(10:00) JESSIE: Yeah, so, with that, you know, they began testing at age four and a half. And they put— they ended up putting me with another little boy my age who was then being trained to be my protector and assassin through this system. One of the first things that they did was they had us in a kindergarten-type class together, and we were sitting around in a circle, and in the middle they put all these miscellaneous objects. So, you know, it had like a candle, a mirror, a shawl, a raven feather, things like that. All of the objects, you know, were somehow connected to witchcraft. And then they would have each child go up and pick out one of the items, and then you’d put it back down. So, you know, with that they were trying to connect kids and see which type of . . . element you were most connected to; so, the object you picked told them if you were more connected to fire, wind, earth or water. And then they would put those children into a training program with teachers who specialized in that form of witchcraft or magic or divination.

So, with mine it was very interesting, because, you know, they— they knew I could see, hear, and feel in the spirit realm, but at that point they didn’t know the extent to how strong that gift was. And so, you know, I went to pick my item, and to me I could see it clear as day, but it wasn’t until I picked it up that they then saw it as well, and it it was a sword that was just in the spirit realm. So, they had not put that in the circle.

They were quite shocked when I picked it up, and the response was, “What are you doing?” And I was like, “I picked my item.” And they’re like, “What is that?” you know? Like, “Where did that come from?” And, you know, I’m just holding up this sword, and— and then I put it down, and at that point I think, you know, there was a point where the mothers were talking amongst themselves because they were kind of in shock.

And they had made this seem like it was a game, you know? They got everybody excited that, “You’re all going to sit around in the circle, everybody takes their turn, picks their object and puts it back.” And, you know, after my experience, I was sitting there, and I was like, “Boy, this is not a fun game.” Like, “I don’t know what they’re thinking; this is kind of stupid.” And all of a sudden, my—you know, I’m thinking this in my head—and all of a sudden my training partner starts giggling, right? And I looked at him, and without saying anything out loud, I was like, “Can you hear me?” and he’s like, “Yes,” you know? We started laughing. So, that was when we figured out that we could share visions and communicate through the spirit world together. But we were just like, “This is the stupidest game, ever.”

But he— so, he had picked an object and I— I can’t share what that was, but it was really funny, because afterwards, the mothers would, you know, they kept all their stuff in one of the basement rooms in one of the Catholic churches that was our main training center. And so, afterwards, they would put the box back in this locked room. Well, my little training partner was a little klepto, okay? So, I don’t know where he got this skill beforehand, but he pulled out some stuff and he would just stand there, like stand there and watch. Because we’re in this hallway, you know? It’s just this hallway with doors. And he’s like, “Just make sure nobody comes.” And he picked that door lock and he took his item, because he wanted it. So, from that day forward, he kept that item on him.

And right after he had got done and we got the door closed, we were standing in the hallway and heard people coming, and we’re like, “Oh, shoot,” you know? And so, this was like one of our first miracles we experienced, you know? I’m standing against the wall and he’s standing in front of me, you know, ready to to fight off whoever comes down that hallway and finds out that we’ve stolen stuff, right? But, so, the mothers go in there, and they’re like, “Oh, no!” Like, “There’s an item missing!” you know? Because they counted them every time. And so, they start frantically looking and searching, and we’re, like, standing right there in the hallway. Like they didn’t even see us. They kept passing by us and we’re just standing there, and it’s like, “Okay.” And he’s got the item, you know, hidden on him. And he’s so skinny. Like, I don’t know how he hid it on him. Like, he forever had it on him, and they never saw it. And I’d be like, I never figured that out.

CHANTELLE: Wow. Amazing; it’s amazing. That’s certainly— I mean, I really— I mean I— I also remember— I mean, I was listening to that and I had a very good giggling. I still wonder what the item is. . . .

JESSIE: I know, it’s so tempting. One of my first questions when I found out he was still alive, I was like, “Do you still have it? Do you still keep it on you?” The answer was, yes, he does. So, I was like, “Oh, wow!”

(16:00) CHANTELLE: Jessie, that’s amazing. And I have to tell you, when I heard the story of that as well, and— and just for the sake of our viewers, I’ve listened to quite a lot of Jessie’s stuff, which is why I’ve asked her to be part of what we’re doing here. And she has, I’m so happy to say, agreed to be a guest for, I don’t know, however long it takes. Forever, hopefully—you never know.

So, I’m dying to just get into everything right now. I’m so excited to just share with our viewers what you know, your story. But I just want to say, when I first heard what had happened to him after that, when their house burnt down, it was like something in me just knew this boy is still alive. I don’t know why. I was so hoping that that would be, you know, the end of the story for some crazy reason, you know? It’s like watching a movie Jessie, it’s crazy, man! And then when I heard on one of your interviews that he was, I was so relieved and so happy. And anyway, I’m sure you know God really does work in wonderful and mysterious ways, and I really look forward to the outcome of what that could be, you know?—where he is now.

(17:30) Morne and myself, and we do a lot of work for kids. We’ve actually written a kids’ book, which is currently on Amazon; it’s called My Gaia: Handbook for Tomorrow’s Leaders, Healers and Teachers. So, we for the past decade or so have been around Africa; I travel a lot to Zambia, to Namibia and South Africa, where we’ve been running programs and workshops for kids. And we’re busy doing something amazing right now with the book, especially for home schooling; and really just showing teachers, parents, everything, that the foundation for every child is love. When a child is born out of love, I think they already have a 60 percent fighting chance of making a success in the world compared to a child that is not born into love and has the experience of a loving family, etc. So, children is a big thing for me, and Morne as well, and I know that you currently are very much involved with working with the anti-child trafficking, helping with the clearing out of the tunnels in the States right now.

Can you . . . paint a picture for us what is going on there? Because I have some questions around those links, you know, to what’s happening in Africa. So, maybe if you wouldn’t mind, if you can paint a picture for us, what is happening in these tunnels? There’s a lot of celebrities and things involved in this Luciferian cult at the moment, and I’m afraid one name that has come up a lot is Oprah Winfrey. Now, again, we are— I’ve got to be so careful about what I say, because I really don’t want to throw the cat amongst the pigeons by saying this, but I think I feel just certainly strong enough within myself to know that something is amiss there, which is why I want to bring it up with you. And maybe we can just talk about the tunnels, and how the whole system links to some of our celebrities, and then the powerful people in this world. If you can just explain a little bit about that, as to why, I also then want to talk to you about Oprah, for example. So, if you don’t mind giving us some of that info.

JESSIE: So, when I was a child, the tunnels were used for several reasons and they really have will say they they’re kind of in three layers so

CHANTELLE: Sorry to interrupt you: maybe if you can just start by telling us where these tunnels are. Where are they, and where are they linked?

JESSIE: Yeah. So, they are everywhere throughout all the seven continents. A lot of them are ancient tunnels, so the majority of them were built a long time ago—you know, we’re talking centuries ago. So, most areas, you know, if you went into those you would have three layers. You’re gonna have the first tunnel layer, which is the underground system that the city workers would use, that would have like access to the water pipes, different things like the electrical grids that they do underground sometimes, the phone lines, things like that.

And then if you go deeper, the next layer is the layer that connects to the underground military DUMB bases. So, one of the big areas would be, you know, Colorado has NORAD, as well as Telluride, which you know are are pretty huge systems that are built into the Rocky Mountains. NORAD, I think, is one of the largest underground DUMB bases, so I believe it literally is 80 stories deep you know so that’d be like 80 floors. And it can house— I think it’s close to a million people or more.

So, what they would use for these systems, the Illuminati would do a lot of experiments on children or individuals. You know, some of the things that I saw— I mean, we’re starting to get into some of the hard stuff here, so I’ll just give a warning. But, you know, they would do experiments, you know, that would include, you know, grafting animal parts onto kids. So, some of these, they would even do in the womb, so that like when a child was born, they would be born with a pig nose instead of a human nose. They could be born with different body parts, you know, in wrong places, and then they would, you know, do it up as a scientific experiment, research project and they would claim that they were cloning, or, you know that they had bred genes of a a pig and a human. So, there’s a lot of deception going on with these things, you know, basically at its core it’s— it’s really, you know, committing crimes against humanity. You know, there’s kids that are literally born with body parts that are metal, so they’re very, you know, mixed with the androids, things like that.

(23:45) CHANTELLE: Who are the mothers of these kids? Where do these kids come from?

JESSIE: Some of these kids don’t have mothers at all. They— you know, they’re born and bred in the system. So, you know, they could use people who are not their mothers as surrogates, but these kids don’t have— the majority of them don’t have parents.

Otherwise, there are a group of them, you know, that are kids that are taken through the CPS system or the government working system. And, you know, they— they’ll literally take these children from their parents. They will expend all the parents’ money through the court systems as they’re fighting for their children. The dirty judges who are involved in the system will, you know, award custody or adopt out the children to Illuminati families, and from there, you know, they have full control of the child, where they’ll sell them with black [UI] and adoptions to high-level Illuminati families, who then will have them in the boarding schools or, you know, will completely sell them into the system for these experiments or projects, depending on what the child’s worth.

(25:00) Each child that they keep, like, they’ve got two different types of kids. And the first term you’ll have to forgive me, because it’s their term, not mine; but, you know, the first type of child they call their expendables. The expendable children are their assets that— they’re the ones that they’re gonna make the money off of. So, these children, they don’t use their spiritual gifts. It’s not saying they don’t have spiritual gifts, but just, for whatever reason, they choose not to use this child’s spiritual gift or connect them to demonic spirits. They will usually use that child first for for sex trafficking, so they make money selling them for sex. Then, what they offer when they’re done making money off of the child for sex, they will offer that child as a ritual killing, or for harvesting. So, they’ll make money off of the child’s organs, or somebody will pay to ritually kill the child.

Then from there, that person will have an option: if they kill the child, they can choose to turn that child into a diamond. They use high pressurized incinerators for that, and so then they can either keep it as a trophy diamond or they can sell that diamond for even more money. There’s also an option—and, again, high graphic warning here—but they can also keep parts of the child’s skin and make things out of that. So, sometimes, you know, it’s come out that there are certain individuals with red shoes. Those shoes are made out of skin, but there’s other stuff that they can do with it as well. So, that is one of the money options as well.

And then from there, you know, they make the money off of the organs as well, and then— Or I should—You know, most the organs are either harvested and sold, you know, to high-level people who might need organs, or they’re sold for different forms of witchcraft spells or divination.

And then they also— after that they’ll, you know, you’ve got the ashes or remains in the incinerator: a lot of those are sold to our food companies all around the world. It is mixed with flour or other type seasonings products and it’s sold in our food to the American people or people in other countries who are paying for food. So, you’re basically— they’re making lots and lots of money off of each child.

CHANTELLE: . . . They make millions of dollars off one child. . . . Made into a diamond and turned into food? So, you’re saying the child’s ashes then get mixed . . . ?

JESSIE: That’s some of it. They also do other forms, so it could be a lot of the organic foods that have terms like ‘natural seasoning’, ‘natural flavoring’—yeah. Your cereals, your crackers; oatmeal is a huge one, all that grainy flour stuff that comes off or that’s at the bottom of your oatmeal canister. It’s pretty much in everything that the general public consumes. So it goes to fast food restaurants to be mixed into— The part people got to keep in mind is that, you know, this was a high form of witchcraft that, with those ashes— it’s not just that they’re making these ashes and selling them: they have groups of individuals who are casting spells and connecting demonic spirits to these ashes before they sell them. So, basically, every time you consume, at a spiritual level, you’re you know opening yourself up to more and more demonic spirits. So it’s a way for them to get demonic spirits into people’s homes.

(31:00) CHANTELLE: This is incredible, the lengths. Wow. Who would have imagined? I mean, I think this truly is the worst kind of evil that one can imagine, and this all from innocent children. I find that heartbreaking. But who are the people that are sacrificing these kids? Who are the people that are demanding this? I mean, this is obviously a million-dollar industry. Who are the people that can afford this? Who are the people that are wanting this?

JESSIE: Well, I think the demand and the, you know, want for it really stems from Satan and the demonic spirits—especially the high demon generals. But serving them are the high, you know, the elite, or who we would call the elite. These are the individuals who are the Illuminati’s insurance policy. These are the people that they invest in. They will give them fame, fortune, money, anything worldly that they want in order to—

CHANTELLE: Celebrities.

JESSIE: Yeah. Their whole purpose is to keep the system running. At the core of that is that you’ve got these blood-lusty demons, you know, so that’s who they’re really, you know, appeasing or appealing to. We know that, you know, a lot of the Hollywood actors and actresses have just come out. So, you’ve got high businessmen and women, you’ve got world leaders, you’ve got individuals who are involved in the United Nations, the European Union—people who are, you know, leader world leaders are at the core of this.

A lot of people don’t know. You know, I mean, even South Africa is a huge area right now where stuff is going on along the coast. You know, you’ve got all these high-end UN leaders or other individuals who invest and own these super yachts, so they’re traveling from one continent to the other, trafficking children.

(33:30) CHANTELLE: Wow. Are there any names you can give us that you’re at liberty—? I understand that, obviously, you’re very limited to certain things that you can share with us and what you can’t.

JESSIE: You’ve got Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell—all of those people. The royals: we— we’ve— we’ve brought out some stuff about them and their involvement and some of the governments.

CHANTELLE: The Windsor royals?

JESSIE: Yeah, the Windsor royals.

CHANTELLE: Wow. So, pretty much all the upper-echelon, and pretty much all our big-name celebrities. I wouldn’t say all: I think there must surely be some that are not.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: With a lot of reading I’ve been doing and everything that I’m hearing says that unless you sign a blood contract with [UI] entrance into that big celebrity music world. So— so, you need to— If you’ve won an award of any type, that’s worth anything in the eyes of the international world, you’ve had a price to pay. Is that— would you say that’s true?

(35:00) JESSIE: Yeah. I would say that’s very true. Everybody who has, you know, the high fame, fortune, even, you know, high-end business people, it’s come with a price.

CHANTELLE: Jessie, on that note . . . the thing that really got me inspired to connect with you to begin with was this thing with the children and the tunnels and our celebrities. And Oprah’s name just won’t go away, as much as I wish it would, you know. She was certainly one of those people, and if you think of what she’s done over the years, you know, it’s shocking that she would be in involved in this. But obviously, we know that— that that these dark energies are so manipulative and so deceiving. And really, it takes a very well trained eye, I think, to spot that.

But, Oprah has a school in South Africa . . . the Oprah Winfrey Academy for Girls in Johannesburg. Now, what concerns me is that there have been several sexual allegations around the school over the years. And we’ve done a little bit of research, and I have to say, Morne actually did this. On the normal search engines, you don’t find much, but when you start looking at the ones—the other ones—I don’t even know what you call them, the ones that are not normal—we find we find quite a bit. So, what has been said is that in 2007 there was a scandal involving 14 girls, and the matron was accused of sexually violating . . . 14 of the girls there. She was found innocent, because, apparently, a lot of the girls’ stories couldn’t corroborate each other’s as the court case was going on. And then the matron was fired, but Oprah settled out of court with her. She had the defamation case against Oprah, then Oprah settled out of court with her.

And a few years later, in 2009, there were three girls of— I think there were three girls who were accused of sexually harassing a whole lot of other girls in the school. I don’t think anything much came of that. Then there was a body, a dead body of a baby found in a 17-year-old student’s backpack. Now, again, that is very covered up; one doesn’t know what happened about that. . . . And then there was another cover-up, when there were 23 allegations brought against four teachers within a six-month period at the school. And after a three-month investigation, apparently only 13 charges were filed. And Oprah has been accused of covering up, paying off cops, bribing people.

So, that concerns me, I have to say, especially in light of the fact that this is a school that she has hand-picked these girls. It’s for girls only. And as I said, these girls are hand-picked. Now, also having listened to quite a bit of of you and how this works, and, you know, how the kids are chosen . . . this has made me think about: did she hand-pick these girls for a specific reason? What can be happening? Were there tunnels to South Africa—underground tunnels to South Africa?

JESSIE: Yeah.

(39:30) CHANTELLE: These are a million questions in my head, and I’m sure that you probably can’t give me answers, but I would really appreciate your take on what’s going on. And obviously, you have a lot of experience, as I said, working in the tunnel system right now with the governments, as far as I know, and doing a lot of great things there.

JESSIE: Yeah, well, I would like to bring out more of, you know, just like your country alone. Your question about why would she hand-pick these select, you know, number of girls. What are some of the big things in South Africa that would make her choose or select certain individuals?

CHANTELLE: Absolutely,

(40:00) JESSIE: Yeah. We know that, as we talked a little bit off-camera, that it’s a high area of witchcraft. And I think that that’s behind her selection of a lot of these girls, is that, you know, they come from generational lines of witchcraft. I know in my world, that was something that was very significant, you know? We were bred through generations and taught certain things, certain forms of witchcraft or divination based on our bloodline. Would you say that’s true of South Africa?

CHANTELLE: . . . I’ll be very honest: I have not researched or investigated that at all, yet. But I’m sure that, because Africa is really a high-witchcraft area, and there’s a lot of dark magic that does go on here—I know this because I’ve worked with police in the past with with this sort of thing going on, children disappearing and finding dismembered body parts and stuff all over—so there’s definitely— and this is common common practice here. And it’s common practice that that kids and things are involved in rituals and stuff. I mean, if she has been able to identify certain high-witchcraft families in Africa, for example, and they have offspring, would it be possible that she would be choosing some of these girls to be part of her academy so that she could further an agenda?

(42:00) JESSIE: Yeah, I definitely think that’s the . . . part of the big question. And then, you know, with that, I know in my experience a lot of those girls that, you know, they do choose or select who come from those families, they have underground breeding programs. So, you know, the Catholic Church that I did the majority of my training at in Chicago was one of those breeding programs. So, you know—

CHANTELLE: Catholic Church?

JESSIE: Yeah, they had— Go ahead.

CHANTELLE: No, no—I was just— I’m just, again, questioning the Catholic Church involved in breeding programs and stuff like that. So, what you’re saying is the Catholic Church is pretty much involved in this, too?

JESSIE: Yeah. The high-level Jesuits— Yeah, we’ll have to make that a whole other discussion. They definitely are.

(43:00) Yeah. So, they had the underground breeding program, where they would select girls. You know, they would be— There were two types of girls: either they were, you know, kind of in a boarding-school-like program where they were there all year round. They would impregnate them at the beginning; before the end of the year, they would have a baby they would either ritually sacrifice, or— or that maybe would be sold for harvesting or consumption. So, you know, at the end of the year, the girls would go home to their parents; nobody knew any better. Other ones, you know, they would use, and, you know, would marry off sometimes, or raise them up as— as individuals who would be recruiters who would lure other girls to come to the school. Some of them, you know, were born literally— were— were babies that were born to somebody in the breeder program. They were born without a birth certificate, never got one, nobody ever documented their existence. So, they’ve got individuals who are unknowns, who are part of these breeder programs. Their sole purpose is to continuously have children until they die, and, you know, nobody knows they’re even there, so—

CHANTELLE: And these children have no birth certificate, no death certificate. They’re just—

JESSIE: Correct.

CHANTELLE: —pushed through the system.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: So, the recorded abductions and missing kids is really just those with birth certificates, right?

JESSIE: Yeah. And and those are connected, too. Sometimes they do, you know, kidnap children from families that they decide they want for these breeder programs or that they want to be part of the system. We had over 800,000 in the United States last year alone that went missing through the CPS system. And child protective services is the system that’s supposed to be protecting children, children supposedly that come out of very dysfunctional or unhealthy families, you know, the system’s job is to take those children, put them into foster care, put them in good homes where they will be safe. But we’re finding out that, you know, in that system over 800,000 last year went missing. So, it’s like, where are those kids? What happened to them? The system has no accountability, no documentation, no explanation for where did America’s children go? And you know, we have tied it to other countries: this is happening worldwide.

(46:00) CHANTELLE: I think, since hearing your explanation on how much money someone can make off one child, there’s not a question where they’re going—that’s pretty much where they’re going. So, for me it really is very interesting about Oprah and Africa and her interesting goals. And I think many of us are aware of the whole pizzagate thing, with these elites and powerful people, and their code-name for children is pizza. So, she made some comment—I’m not quite sure exactly where, again—where she says, “African children make the best pizza.” And she’s apparently started her own pizza company in America with a cauliflower pizza base, or something like that. So there’s, you know, all these things with pizza.

And again, if we don’t know what we’re looking for, it seems so innocent. For me, you know, the way I the way I see it, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And my concern at this point is her involvement with Africa, and South Africa, especially, and her school, and the sexual allegations going on there, and knowing now that Oprah is really not who she has pretended to be all these years. Did you say there are tunnels that connect to Africa as well? Is it possible they could— the kids could be trafficked through the tunnels from Africa all the way to the States or other countries?

(48:00) JESSIE: Yeah, specifically Australia. There is a line, you know, where they’re using— some of it’s underwater. So, if you look into the Terra-Mar project, you know, they’re literally trafficking these children, you know, from New Zealand, Australia, up through South Africa, over to the UK, to the United States. You know, most these kids, when they get kidnapped or stolen from one country, you know, they’ll take them to another country, and the child has no idea where they’re at, they don’t speak any of those languages, they have nobody to turn to to ask for help if they were to try to get out. Some of— well, we’ll just say there are some beliefs that that some of the embassies are involved, as well as, you know, the military and governments of these different countries. There’s been some allegations that they’re using disasters, like the hurricanes, or earthquakes, the tsunamis—that they’ll then send in groups right after those things happen, and they’ll claim that there were so many deaths. But in fact what they’re doing is coming in, taking the kids whose parents may have died, or they may have killed those parents, claiming that their deaths happened in in the natural disaster. And then it gives them access to these children, and they move them out of the place where they were, and claim that they’re, you know, they’re helping those children.

(50:00) CHANTELLE: Wow. I mean, every time I hear something like this I’m just more amazed at the levels that— that— that these kids are being used—it’s insane to me. Children, I mean, our most innocent precious— wow.

JESSIE: I mean, think of how many of those big natural disasters, where you’ve seen a lot of these Hollywood stars or prominent people really step in and claim that they’re helping, you know, right after those disasters.

CHANTELLE: Yes! Yes!

JESSIE: You know, Oprah’s been one, too, where—

CHANTELLE: All the time!

JESSIE: And they claim that they’re helping and doing cleanup and spending money, and, you know, you— you’ve got to ask what are they really investing in? What— what is their agenda?

CHANTELLE: Well, this is exactly what I’m doing, and— and, quite frankly, I don’t have one single answer. But I truly hope that just the fact that we are questioning this and bringing some light onto this topic will bring some light and hopefully illuminate, since you’ve got a beautiful website called Illuminate the Darkness.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: So, just to Illuminate what’s happening. I, for one, will certainly do a little bit of investigation from our side, go further, and just to see if there’s anything else. And let’s pray that this will open up something where we get some light on that topic, on that subject about these girls. Because as we know, Africa is a rife market for child trafficking; I mean, there’s just so much of it going around. It’s— it’s very sad for me. And sex trafficking as well, you know, the teenaged girls; a lot of the the foreign girls come here, Russians, things like that. There’s a very big connection there as well. But as far as we concerned, you know, I would really like just to shed some light on current situations, and who knows what can grow from this?

Jessie, I think I’m going to leave it there for us tonight. And Morne, I don’t know is there anything you would like to pose to Jessie, or maybe say to her before we before we sign off.

MORNE: Yeah, no, just— just thank you. I appreciate your story and being brave enough, you know? That’s really what the world needs right now.

CHANTELLE: Braveheart; this is a true little Braveheart. That’s awesome. And I look forward to sharing more of your story as we go along. I know it’s probably a little bit cryptic, maybe, for some people right now, but Jessie really has a beautiful story, and literally has been to hell and back, and has never wavered.

I think more than anything it’s— it’s about connecting in the power, in the essence of love, and seeing where we can go with this. As I said, my dream is to get these stories and this awareness out on the African continent.

JESSIE: Yeah.

CHANTELLE: Not just South Africa—far and wide. Because there is just so many horrors that go on—untold, you know, untold horrors that occur—and the fact that I believe Oprah might be involved just incenses me, you know? We have enough of our own horrors going on here as it is, you know? Just like, “No, not you as well,” you know? So, I say, thank you thank you, thank you so much for being with us this evening. . . . And i don’t know if there’s anything else that you would like to finish off with. Maybe you can pray for us.

JESSIE: Yeah. Let’s do that.

MORNE: That’d be wonderful.

JESSIE: Heavenly Father, thank you for this time together. And I thank you that you love every individual so much, especially the little children, that you made a promise a long time ago to me, in the midst of that darkness, that you would work to get them out, and that you would work to bring these children, who are having to suffer day in and day out, out of that darkness. I thank you that you hear their voices, you hear their cries, even those, Lord, who have no name, no birth certificate—they’ve been hidden within the system Lord. Your eyes see them, and you have not forgotten them, and you will work to get them out.

And so I thank you that you are raising up individuals who are able to take action, who are able to find these children where they’re at, and who are going in there to get them out. I thank you for the military, Lord, across all the nations who are— who are good men and women, who are working to accomplish these rescues. We ask for their protection, Lord, and we’d say you we just trust all these things into your hands.

And I thank you for this talk show, that you were giving me yet another place to be heard, another place to share about the wickedness going on in this world. And I ask that you would bless it that it would go far and wide, and that you would bring many people to help us in this fight to save the children of our world. In your name we pray, Jesus. Amen.

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First Jessie Czebotar interview (Sept. 2020)