Session 26: “Worldliness and Spirituality”
Lester: Any time we see any difference, or a difference between the spiritual and the worldly, it’s because we don’t have enough understanding of the spiritual as yet. We are separating. The highest state is when we are in the world and in spirit at one and the same time and there is no difference. When we’re there, we don’t see it as world and spirit. We see it as one and the same thing. We see a oneness; we see it all as our very own Self. Or, if we want, we see the whole world as being within us, as a dream is within us in sleep. No matter what happens in the dream, we remain the same. We see absolutely no difference in anything; there’s a singular oneness throughout everything. Nothing changes. Ever-the-same is our feeling.
This can be used as a yardstick to know how far we are on the path. Is everything ever the same? Do things really not change? It is a little shocking when we start examining it from this point of view. How far am I on the path toward seeing the sameness, the oneness, the no-otherness, the nothing-but-God, God in all, the God in everyone? When you accomplish that non-duality, you lose the feeling of separation, of “I”. If you want to recognize the apparent others, you use the word “we”. But more than that, you would rather talk about yourself in third person. That is the feeling a master has. And he talks that way. Certain masters will not speak of themselves by name; they’ll speak of themselves in the third person as their disciples do. For instance, if everyone called me what Ken jokingly calls me, I would talk about Father Divine. Instead of saying I, me, or Lester, I would talk about him (pointing to himself), Father Divine. That’s just the way you feel when you’re in the state when all is one and all is the same. You don’t identify yourself with just your body. I’ve been emphasizing this point because quite a few were asking questions and talking about the two, the world and spirit, not knowing that in truth they are one.
Q: There is no difference?
Lester: Right. It’s one and the same, when you see it aright. If you see it through illusion, if you see it wrongly, you’ll see separation; you’ll see the differentiation that this is spiritual and that is worldly; that this is divine and that is mundane.
The “me” is a condescension on the part of a master in order to communicate with the apparent egos. A master sees nothing but masters; specks of infinite light, all looking alike; blazing effervescent radiant beings, points of Beingness all being One. This is the way a master really sees everyone. He doesn’t see people the way [ordinary people] see them.
Q: Does He sees them as different shades, or all one shade?
Lester: Identical points of light, of one ocean of light, brilliant effervescent, emanating, with center everywhere and circumference nowhere. Are you trying to imagine what it is like?
Q: Well, I had an experience of seeing something like that and it’s a light like a bright sun.
Lester: Yes, a bright blazing sun. Masters can see nothing but a master in [others], and at the same time, they can go through the pretense of seeing it otherwise by saying. “Harry, yes, you do have problems” or, “Harry, you do have a body and you do live in a house.” But as they say it, to them, it’s like a dream voice talking, or apparently talking, and it’s all an apparency. It’s a pretense. They’re actually pretending, because their view of the omnipresent, infinite One never changes.
Q: They are pretending a duality, then, actually, where we’re more or less living it?
Lester: Yes. However, [you are] pretending it too, but [you] don’t know that [you’re] pretending it.
Levenson, Lester (1993). Keys to the Ultimate Freedom: Thoughts and Talks on Personal Transformation. Phoenix, Arizona: Sedona Institute. ISBN 0-915721-03-1