John Whitberg: Project Looking Glass, Life Missions, Area 51 – Part 1/2

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April 5, 2023

John Whitberg offers a first-hand account of the notorious but difficult-to-track-down Project Looking Glass, dealing primarily with supervision and manipulation of the branches of our timeline. In part 1, he summarizes its history and agenda, the path that led him there, the function and capability of the holographic projector, and finally, he compares the most popular Looking Glass leaks with his knowledge of it.

Transcript

DANIEL SALA: Welcome to another edition of Saint Olga SSP interviews. We have John Whitberg again, and he will discuss Project Looking Glass, in which his alter, Alex, rose to be the senior operator of the technology.

The first question is, how come you have your fingers in pretty much every pie, as far as covert operations?

JOHN: Well, to be honest with you, I think that’s more the norm than the exception, given that the average person has a 13-by-13 cube of alters. Why would they not use us in everything? I just remember more than most people.

DANIEL: So, there’s nothing to the theory that you have to be of this certain bloodline or anything: everyone goes?

JOHN: Yes, I think so.

DANIEL: Okay. So, let’s cover the initial flood of memories. When did it happen, and was it a one-and-done thing?

JOHN: No, it was not a one-and-done thing: it was— Well, there was a huge lump, but there are still bits filtering in pretty regularly. It was, I believe, in November last year that it started.

DANIEL: And what’s your take as to why then, and why in that manner?

JOHN: It was because someone recognized me from Montauk, and they said my name was Alex there.

DANIEL: That was all it took?

JOHN: Yeah. Well, I had a few little memories from him, and so I started delving into those for the first time, and that kind of unlocked everything.

DANIEL: So it was kind of an avalanche.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And is that the same with most of your alters?

JOHN: Yeah, pretty much.

DANIEL: And what do you think of the possibility of it being an activation of sorts, of someone wanting you to talk about it at this time?

JOHN: I’m not going to say that isn’t the case.

DANIEL: Right. So it’s just a possibility, just speculation.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: Okay. So it behooves us to cover the history of this program. I believe it started with ET technology from a crash, am I right?

JOHN: Correct. Well, not recovered from a crash. I believe it was found in some mountains in southeastern China, except that those mountains were actually pyramids. This happened during World War II.

DANIEL: What’s the location, do you know?

JOHN: Not the exact location, just southeastern China.

DANIEL: Were the Germans involved?

JOHN: Yes, and the Japanese, because they were occupying that area. So it was the Axis powers. And neither the Germans or the Japanese could really make heads or tails of this device, so they were more than happy to give it to the Americans in exchange for— I think they got a certain number of personnel or something. And it wasn’t until like the late 1960s that the Americans finally figured out what they were supposed to do with it.

DANIEL: And they presumably made a deal with that society or foundation that deals with relics that’s from Germany, right? Ahnenerbe?

JOHN: Ahnenerbe. Yes, they did.

The Ahnenerbe (“Ancestral Heritage”) was a Schutzstaffel (SS) scientific organization which was active in Nazi Germany between 1935 and 1945. It was established by Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in July 1935 as an appendage of the SS.

DANIEL: And do you know what the Americans how did they transition from just having access to this to finally establishing a program, and what would you say is that program’s [operational method] or game plan today?

JOHN: Well, their game plan is monitoring history both on- and off-planet and manipulating it at the will of both the tall whites — which, we covered them in Solar Warden shows — and also at the will of the U.S. and General Allied Powers intelligence community. There are personnel also from Britain, Canada, Australia, Sweden, France, Germany — places like that.

DANIEL: I see. And the headquarters is in Area 51, but they presumably have outposts elsewhere.

JOHN: Oh, yes. They have an outpost— they have a pretty significant one in Quebec. They have personnel in Pine Gap in Australia. And they have a very significant one in— what’s that mountain range that’s on the border between France and Spain?

DANIEL: Pyrenees.

JOHN: Yeah, they have an outpost in the Pyrenees, or under them, I should say.

DANIEL: There’s also an Earth portal there.

JOHN: Okay, that makes sense.

DANIEL: But the history is really shrouded in mystery, even, I guess, for the insiders, right? They’re kept on a leash. Because almost no information is leaking out about it. It’s not like Montauk or the others.

JOHN: No, it’s not: it’s very secretive.

DANIEL: And you you have no previous exposure to either Dan Burisch or Frank Jacob, or the Guardians of the Looking Glass and all this stuff that’s coming out recently about Looking Glass.

JOHN: None whatsoever.

DANIEL: But would you be able to confirm or deny what Dan Burich has claimed, that other countries have had access to Looking Glass technology as far back as the 1960s and 1970s when it was still being reverse-engineered?

JOHN: Yes, I can. I got there, I believe, in late 1975, early 1976. And I know the Russians had one by then, the Italians had one. Oh, Czechoslovakia, of all places, they had one by then. So, yes, places had them. And China got one in the early ‘80s, Japan got one eventually. Yeah, it’s pretty widespread by now.

(7:00) DANIEL: And so you went on life missions — not unlike Montauk, which is also not that well known. But this is important to bring forward, that this was an ongoing thing — just going on life missions, not just, say, five-and-backs or something or just a few months. But they also did those as well: it was a mishmash.

JOHN: Yes, it was. It was whatever was needed in order to change things. However long you had to be there, you were there.

DANIEL: So, in order to maybe add some clarity, what would you say is the thing that set it apart from, say, Montauk?

JOHN: It was much less rough, for one thing, and it was, I would say, less morally questionable. I still wouldn’t say it was a good idea, or that it is a good idea what they’re doing, but I’d say it’s less morally questionable. I’ve never known Looking Glass to commit genocide; I have known Montauk to commit genocide.

DANIEL: And speaking of Montauk, that’s how it incidentally started, this alter, which is Alex. And can you give us a brief summary of how you ended up from Montauk there?

JOHN: For insubordination. I caught Preston doing something with a kid. I will not say what, exactly, because I don’t want to get your channel banned. But I caught that happening and I pulled a gun. And I was— or Alex was going to blow his head off, and he was stopped and punished quite severely, and he would not stop pulling guns on Preston. And so—

DANIEL: What year was this?

JOHN: Nineteen seventy four into 1975. And so it was decided, “Okay, we can’t make this kid comply: we’re gonna get rid of him.” And so it just so happened that Area 51 had an opening, and they were looking especially for gifted telepaths with also some archaeological experience, which, that fits Alex to a T.

DANIEL: So, it’s a rare, fortuitous external event, because normally they would have demoted you, but in that case it was kind of a promotion, from what I’m hearing.

JOHN: Yes, very much so.

DANIEL: Okay. And let’s go into the the type of guy that Alex is. And I think you said that he was one of your four strong alters, as they’re called.

JOHN: Yes, he is. What type of guy he is, he’s very military in his personality; he’s a hardass. I would classify him as— he’s not very nice. He’s not a bad person by any means, but he’s not he’s also not nice. He’s very complicated, which is why I’m struggling with this. He is probably the most complicated of all of mine.

DANIEL: And I believe you reference the fact that one the subjects of our previous episodes, Adam, was actually a fractal — so not a strong alter — of Alex.

JOHN: Yes, he is. At some point in Alex’s life, I believe during— well, Adam was “born” in 1969, so that would mean— Nineteen sixty nine was the end of Alex’s Montauk training, so, yeah, that sounds about right that they would have made a series of clones of him at that point.

DANIEL: You mean created from mind-fracture, or what?

JOHN: No, I mean just printed out a bunch of clones.

DANIEL: Right, right. But the inception of the consciousness was not 1969.

JOHN: Oh, right, yeah, right. You’re right, yeah. Alex was made during my initial mind-fracture.

DANIEL: What year was that?

JOHN: Two thousand seven.

DANIEL: Good to know. Okay. But unlike with Adam, you maintain open communication with Alex, right?

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Was it okay that I disclosed that?

JOHN: Oh, yeah. That’s fine; I don’t care.

DANIEL: Okay. And let’s briefly mention the types of missions, because presumably there were many, and some were military, some were business, some were spying, right?

JOHN: Yeah. Sometimes we would go do battles. Sometimes we would infiltrate areas using— sometimes everybody even uses avatar bodies. If it was on other planets, we would use avatar bodies of whatever the native species was. Sometimes we would do abductions of people who we needed. There were a lot of things we did and are still doing.

DANIEL: So, with the avatar thing, you would fast-clone an ET and then transfer your consciousness into it?

JOHN: Right.

DANIEL: And were they— let’s compare them also to JDFC. Were they also sneaky, or were they more professional, more dignified?

JOHN: I would say they’re more dignified than JDFC, myself.

DANIEL: But still exploitative, because after all, it is humans we’re talking about.

jOHN: Yeah, of course.

DANIEL: And they also abused ante-telephoning.

JOHN: Oh, yeah. That they did even more than JDFC.

DANIEL: And also you said that it was even more of a, you know, grand operation than JDFC in regards to time travel. They had more personnel, they had more expansive missions, and presumably bigger infrastructure?

JOHN: Yeah, considerably bigger infrastructure. They had funding from a lot of different people and they engage in personnel exchanges quite a lot, a lot more than JDFC. They’re less picky, too; they don’t require human personnel at all. In fact, in many situations they prefer non-human personnel. So they’ll take personnel from whoever will have them.

DANIEL: So this little project that started in America with some throwaway ET technology that the Germans didn’t want.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And now it’s— we’re talking about a multi-planetary, multi-species affair.

JOHN: Oh, yeah.

DANIEL: And does it have the same name throughout the solar systems?

JOHN: I believe so.

DANIEL: But it’s separate from all these factions that we know of, like Solar Warden, Nacht Waffen, ICC?

JOHN: Well it is overseen by the Navy, by Naval intelligence, so, no. I mean, it is still a part of that, but functionally, they are kind of their own faction.

DANIEL: And they also cooperate with the Germans, am I right?

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Which is unique, I guess, for America.

JOHN: Yes. Yeah, it is. I’m not sure that the Germans that they have on staff or whatever are Nacht Waffen Germans; I think they might be Paperclip Nazis, so that would be kind of a different scenario.

DANIEL: And let’s briefly cover the ET cohorts. So, they were also who decided those scenarios, right? Those objectives?

JOHN: For the most part, yes. There was also heavy input from the intelligence community, but for the most part it was ETs who we would, at the very least, consult with every time. And the heads of the project, their direct bosses are usually tall whites.

DANIEL: So, I might understand that it started out just humans, and then once it got a foothold, once it grew in power, it was co-opted by these ETs?

JOHN: I believe actually we had to consult with the ETs to learn how to use the technology, so there would have been already an exchange of some kind going on. Because they won’t ever teach you anything unless you can give them something better. Especially tall whites: they’re very, I don’t know, mercantile in that way. I guess that would be the right term. I’m not sure quite what the—

DANIEL: Opportunist?

JOHN: Yeah. So, by now it is mostly controlled by the tall whites, by their allies, with input at least from the intelligence community of the Western world and whoever they’re close with.

DANIEL: And if you were to just to describe it in a nutshell, is it mostly a military, or just a multi-factored enterprise?

JOHN: Thank you very multi-factored. I would say, if anything, it’s mostly an espionage endeavor.

DANIEL: So, intelligence.

JOHN: Yes, yes.

DANIEL: And you also said that you have several species of reptilians on staff.

JOHN: Yeah, we do. We have Agartha reptilians.

DANIEL: What do they look like, Jurassic Park?

JOHN: No, no, these are the ones that they’re quite human-like. I call them chameleon people, because their skin does change color. They’re quite human-like, but they do have a tail, and they’re actually quite pretty. They’re very shiny, very smooth scales, like a really smooth snake. We have a couple of iguanoids on staff. They’re from somewhere in Orion, but in the constellation.

(18:00) DANIEL: And we’re talking about Area 51 here.

JOHN: Yes. There’s a couple of those guys on staff and they’re actually quite nasty. But they’re also really useful. We have a couple of— I think they might be exiled warrior Draco — who are in the cargo area, because they’re just like giant, really strong guys and they just move stuff around for us.

DANIEL: So, likely they’re hybrids of Draco, not, you know— because it’s a loaded term these days.

JOHN: Yeah, probably they are hybrids, and they are they’re exiled in some way, or else they wouldn’t be taking such a low job, I’m sure. Especially having tall whites as their bosses, I mean.

(19:00) DANIEL: But were there any encounters with the good-guy ETs, like the Ashtar or Venusians or Val Thor and the like?

JOHN: I don’t recall ever encountering any of the Ashtar. I can recall Venusians. Val Thor I don’t have specific memories of, although this was after his time, anyway. He was in the 1950s: this started for me in the 1970s.

DANIEL: Well he’s still around, presumably.

JOHN: Well, yeah, presumably somewhere. But we had plenty of dealings with the good Andromedans, and yeah there were good guys we met with.

DANIEL: Andromedan constellation or galaxy?

JOHN: Constellation.

DANIEL: Right. And let’s go to the actual projection holographic machine. Could you go over its appearance? Was it horizontal?

JOHN: It was a gold box about four feet wide, two feet high, two feet deep, and it had two little gold pillars on top with spheres on them. And when you connected psychically to the device — which only certain people can do and we will be getting into that later — the spheres would spin, and in-between them you would see like a projection screen, and you can take that pretty much wherever you want, and it will look at anything.

DANIEL: I think I made a comparison with the Ark of the Covenant in terms of shape.

JOHN: Yes, it was very much like the Ark of the Covenant, except instead of angels it had those two pillars with spheres.

DANIEL: So, perhaps that was the initial role of the ark as well?

JOHN: Very possibly, yes.

DANIEL: And I think you said that not everyone could see it.

JOHN: No, not everyone could see it. You have to be one of the people who can connect to the device in order to see it, and then it’s still a bit mysterious to me what exactly the requirements are, because sometimes people who are connected to the device can’t see it at all times. So I think there might be an element of an AI in the device, that to some extent it is choosing whom it allows to see.

DANIEL: Well, from what I gather, it has to do with the ability of the viewer, whether he can tap into these astral identities, because that’s also a coveted role, to be able to interface with these technologies. Like, you were used in other alters as well.

JOHN: Okay, yeah, that would make sense.

(22:00) DANIEL: Because it doesn’t seem like the machine just crapped out on you or anything, but instead it was a matter of being able to see, from what I’m getting.

JOHN: Yes, definitely.

DANIEL: Right. At the same time, the portals were visible to everyone including, you know, just a random hobo?

JOHN: Yeah, the portals were just— the portals weren’t anything special.

DANIEL: And going back to the projections, I heard that after perhaps a week, a different loop is shown, and that happens again 144, times. And then this forms a 2.7-year cycle, and that they film it, and then they search it, thanks to computer algorithms, for key words just to save time. And then they do their little adjustments of the timeline that way. Does that sound familiar?

JOHN: Yeah, that’s roughly how it works. Before we had the ability to record it, though, we had to— usually they would give the people using the device drugs so that they would be able to remember everything. Because, of course, in the 1970s we didn’t really have computers that were advanced enough to record what was being seen psychically by a person. So, it used to be a much more complicated affair.

DANIEL: Right. So, they got it down to a science.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: Do these operatives monitor timelines 24 hours a day, always recording them and researching and looking for the most optimum threads?

JOHN: Pretty much, yeah.

DANIEL: But you weren’t tasked with such things?

JOHN: Oh, no, I was. When I was a kid there, at the very least I was, yes.

DANIEL: All right. We might as well foreshadow the fact that you started with lower jobs, menial, but ended up actually heading this whole project, am I right ?

JOHN: Correct. It took many, many years, but yes.

(24:00) DANIEL: Right. And do they then compare these different possibilities that were seen with the projector? Tell us what did you see in the recordings, the archives.

JOHN Yes, they compare them. Gosh, tell you what did I see: that’s a really huge question.

DANIEL: Too many.

JOHN: Yeah. There were many timelines, many bad timelines that we have averted, but there have also been good ones that we have averted because it didn’t fit an agenda. Everything is done for an agenda, as I said. And we saw timelines— there were timelines where Earth was destroyed. There were timelines where we fell to an invasion. There were a couple of times we actually had to go in militarily and stop an invasion, and things like that.

(25:00) DANIEL: Could you also just peer into the future or past, just for kicks?

JOHN: You’re not supposed to, but everyone does.

DANIEL: Did you?

JOHN: Oh, yeah, of course.

DANIEL: What did you see in one of these? Because presumably you could pick whatever you wanted.

JOHN: Yeah, you could. There were some really utopian futures that I hope we’re headed towards. More often than not, though, I would usually take it off-planet for when I was trying to do something fun, and took it to some pretty cool planets. I’m not proud of this; I did engage in some voyeurism. I won’t get too graphic, but that did happen a few times.

DANIEL: And also, how did you control this: was it just through your mind, or fingers, or how?

JOHN: You have to lay your hand on the device, but otherwise, yes, it is just telepathic.

DANIEL: So, a combination then?

(26:00) JOHN: Yeah. You do have to control it. You can see it if you’re not touching it, but to control it you do have to have your hand laid on it.

DANIEL: You mean control the angle or the position?

JOHN: No, control it at all. Control where it’s going, anything. But it is possible to stand next to the person who does have his hand on it and see what he’s seeing without you touching it.

DANIEL: So, would you just move about as in a video game with a joystick?

JOHN: Pretty much, yeah.

DANIEL: And were there any off-limited places?

JOHN: Yes. Draco territory anywhere was strictly off-limits. Most military bases, both on- and off-planet, are mostly off limits. If we had to look at something in a military area, we would do remote viewing, because that’s—

DANIEL: Leaves less of a footprint.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: But did the mood or personality of the observer affect what you were seeing in the projections?

JOHN: No, not at all whatsoever.

DANIEL: So it was totally objective.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And when you had those prohibitions, were those encoded in the software so that you couldn’t even access it if you tried, or was it just a prudent— I mean, a measure so that you wouldn’t get caught?

JOHN: It was just a measure; you didn’t want to get caught. A couple of the Draco areas actually we did go so far as to encode blockages, because it was just not worth it. Even if we really had to look at those areas, it was just not worth the extreme risk of getting caught. So, we would use a remote-viewer or we would send in an infiltrator in an avatar body.

DANIEL: Meaning they have such advanced etheric sensors, like hair-trigger, that just projecting the footprint of this device there would have triggered it or something.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Wow. And how do they know what events they need to alter in order to get the desired effect?

JOHN: Well, that’s again a bit complicated, but you can sometimes ask the device. For example, if you’re looking at an outcome, you can say, “Okay, show me: how did we get to this place?” and it’ll show you how this or that happened. Sometimes it’s pretty obvious. For example during the invasion timelines it was obvious, “Okay, we need to go and assassinate whoever thought of doing this invasion,” and we would do that. And many times it was trial-and-error.

DANIEL: So, the holographic device and the star gates worked hand-in-hand. You can’t have one without the other, right?

JOHN: Yeah.

(29:00) DANIEL: And how did they verify if they did get the the effect they wanted?

JOHN: It was pretty easy: you could just check in through the device on the new timeline or the new version of the timeline and see, “Did this or that change?” and that was pretty simple.

DANIEL: And how just how old is Alex right now?

JOHN: Well, with all the life missions he’s thousands of years old. But
his birthday is February 25, 1956, so he would be 67, right?

DANIEL: So, with integrating him, it would be like gaining thousands of years of memories.

JOHN: Yeah, it would.

DANIEL: As well as skills.

JOHN: Yeah.

(30:00) DANIEL: What about— do you get mind-wiped after the missions, the life missions?

JOHN: No. No, no mind wipe whatsoever. They actually want— they want you to remember those for intel purposes among other things.

DANIEL: So, it sounds like they’re doing it right, I mean, at the very least that, right?

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And also the spans: for example, in a really lengthy life-mission, it seems also more humane in the sense that you’re not plucked, like with Tony Rodrigues, for example. He felt bereaved that he was taken at that point, just when he got a girlfriend and all that.

JOHN: Yeah. There is quite a bit of freedom actually in how you live your life there; you just have to also follow the brief. And you will get plucked out and punished in some way if you’re not following the brief

DANIEL: But it seems so difficult to keep track of so many life missions, and so many of them presumably are happening simultaneously. So, therefore, you have in this same timeline, in this 3D reality, many Alexes, but the same body, same consciousness, and no mind wipe involved.

JOHN: Yeah, I guess so. Well, a fair number of them are in avatar bodies, but yeah, pretty much. And it is incredibly confusing keeping track of them.

DANIEL: But does it get watered down if you’re sent to so many places at the same time, because the consciousness has to alot a certain amount of its power?

JOHN: Yeah, I would say it does get watered down somewhat.

DANIEL: So, they’re keeping an eye on it to not push it quite too much, right?

JOHN: Oh, yeah, yeah.

(32:00) DANIEL: Do they also use time travel to prop up their early development, like, say, the Germans?

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Does that mean they’re older than just the 1930s?

JOHN: Oh, I’m sure, yeah.

DANIEL: Wow. There seems no end to this, bottomless. It seems unfair, first of all.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: Just how widespread are their Looking Glass projects?

JOHN: I couldn’t tell you a hundred percent. I know that they have outposts of some description on many planets. They have a lot of sleeper agents in places, especially in colonies off world, but in a lot of places they don’t really have so much a presence as they do missions there occasionally.

DANIEL: But surely they’re more involved in this section of the Milky Way.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Which is the, what? Are we in the Draco Empire or not?

JOHN: We are, yes, and our immediate backyard is, but we’re kind of on the edges, so you don’t have to go too far to get out of it.

DANIEL: It’s more disputed here

JOHN: Yes, definitely.

DANIEL: So how much of the future right now is Alex aware of?

JOHN: The furthest into the future I can remember him going or looking is the 27th century. And things are looking pretty good by then. He has done missions there, to that far in the future as well. He went there for fun a couple of times too, to London.

(34:00) DANIEL: So not just looking at holographic recordings for fun, but actually inserting yourself in the future for fun?

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And that was only after he got to climb the ranks.

JOHN: Oh, yeah, yeah.

DANIEL: That’s a hell of a perquisite.

JOHN: Yes, it is.

DANIEL: So does Alex look exactly like you, so you maybe could crash there and just demand to go there?

JOHN: No, he doesn’t look exactly like me, unfortunately. Similar, quite similar, but not exactly.

DANIEL: And when he was sent on the future missions, does it kind of imply that what he witnessed there is going to play out in our reality as well?

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: By and large, with small Mandela effects.

(35:00) JOHN: Yes, pretty much. They wouldn’t be going there if it wasn’t— Alternate realities they don’t really care that much about. Sometimes they’ll go over to one if there’s technology they want or something like that, but usually they’re left alone. So, if they’re going so far as to send a mission to a place, then, yes, it’s it affects this reality in a significant fashion.

DANIEL: Do you know how many alternate realities there are? Because that really makes things complex; I wish there weren’t any.

JOHN: I don’t have a number, no.

DANIEL: One of them is the Kruger one, the one that Kruger is from and where Germany won the war — I mean officially — and ETs walked the street, right?

jOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Did you have any excursions there?

JOHN: A couple of times, yeah. It was all right— it wasn’t the worst reality.

DANIEL: Do you figure that we are kind of a more complete, like original reality, and that one is lesser or something?

JOHN: No, I’d say that they’re about equally “real.” That’s a difficult question, honestly.

DANIEL: Okay, so how does knowing how things will pan out actually affect his actions in day-to-day?

JOHN: Well, he always— he’s more relaxed about the future, but he’s also in a way much more uptight about it because timelines also change all the time. To quote, of all things, Terminator 2, “The future is not set. There is no faith in that which we make for ourselves.” So, it keeps him busy, that’s for sure, having to keep things going in the optimal fashion so that things will happen or won’t happen.

(37:00) DANIEL: Is he the front-runner in terms of the amount of years that he has put into this, or are there others that— and what’s the requirement to be sent on so many life missions?

JOHN: The requirement is basically that you can handle it.

DANIEL: Psychologically.

JOHN: Yes. There are very long and stringent psychological evaluations before you get sent on any. He was being sent on them pretty much— well, not immediately but within a few years, because he’d already been doing that at Montauk, so they knew he could handle it. And to be sent on a lot of them is a rare thing. It’s just— it’s a rare thing. There are some others. Don’t get me wrong. There are others at the base who do do that, but he is one of the few.

DANIEL: You even have relationships so there’s kind of a tight-knit clique, right?

JOHN: Yes very much so. There is a camaraderie.

DANIEL: ETs and humans?

JOHN: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

DANIEL: What language do they speak?

JOHN: English or telepathic or there are colloquialisms also that are borrowed from other languages that are pretty much exclusive to Area 51.

DANIEL: And from the fact that ETS are involved I can surmise that there are also separate ET programs that deal with time manipulation on other planets; it’s a feature.

JOHN: Oh, yes. One of the constants in this galaxy is that time is everything in this galaxy. Even though it also doesn’t exist, it’s also everything, you know.

DANIEL: As in it is just one moment that you just tweak a little bit.

JOHN: Yeah.

(39:00) DANIEL: But do you ever clash with these other time manipulators?

JOHN: Of course.

DANIEL: Give us an example.

JOHN: We would clash with a reptilian species. I still don’t know what what exactly they were, but there is a reptilian species that— they look like they evolved from an anole lizard — a-n-o-l-e — people can look that up. That species we clashed with for quite awhile. One of the life missions actually was going into a war with them that lasted for about 30 years, where they were trying to take control of Mars.

We clashed with the Russians on a regular basis. Nowadays we have tepid relations with the Russian time-travel program; I wouldn’t say that we have friendly relations. Of course, when I started out, it was during the Cold War, so it was extremely hostile. We clash with the Chinese time-travel program on a regular basis now.

DANIEL: Wow.

JOHN: And sometimes we work with the German time travelers, sometimes we’re against them: it all depends. I mean, with the German Nacht Waffen and time travelers, not the ones who were a part of Looking Glass, which were a mixture of Paperclip Nazis and the one controlled by Germany on Earth — the country of Germany.

DANIEL: And is this ability to just insert yourself in these lifetimes also not constitute a way for you to just enjoy basically something close to immortality? Because it seems like after you get in a high position like Alex, there seem to be no limits to this. I mean, is this practice enviable in that way?

JOHN: In some ways, yes, I would say it is enviable. In some ways I’d say it’s torture, because nothing is permanent. And there’s nothing quite like life missions that you then have to leave at some point to make you realize that nothing is ever permanent.

DANIEL: But does Alex not feel lucky that he gets the lifespan we all strive to, that he gets to not get the mind wipe, the Amnesia that we do, and the benefits that come with that?

JOHN: Yes, he is quite happy with that most of the time.

DANIEL: Despite just being a fragment of your consciousness.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: Does he accept that, by the way?

JOHN: Kind of. Yeah, he does. He actually thinks that I’m a fragment of him that he’s the true original, and I can’t I can’t honestly say for certain that he’s not correct.

DANIEL: Wow. Maybe you’re just the whistleblower alter, if that’s a thing?

JOHN: Yeah. Well, you know who had a whistleblower alter, and that’s not the original; we know that.

DANIEL: Okay, let’s briefly go over the actual star-gate device. Was it plasma or water in appearance? And once inside, did it look like a tunnel, or was it an instant transition?

JOHN: It was an instant transition. It looked like water, like slightly rippling water. You can actually see to the other side.

DANIEL: Distorted.

JOHN: Yes, distorted, as if you were looking through slowly flowing water. And there are different colors for different scenarios, which I believe Apollymi has actually said once or twice. But looking through it there’s blue there’s light blue, there’s a darker blue, there’s like a sea-foam green, and then there’s red.

DANIEL: Depending on scenarios?

JOHN: Yes. Sea-foam green is interdimensional, dark blue is space, light blue is time and space, and red is simply time.

(44:00) DANIEL: Were these just for your benefit, or was it actually a result of the cocktail that was needed for the star gate?

JOHN: I wasn’t there when we first got it, so I couldn’t honestly say. I believe it was already like that when they got it, but that’s just my speculation

DANIEL: Were there incidents when you didn’t close it on time or something came through that shouldn’t have?

JOHN: Yeah, that happened. I can remember one time being chased by a mob of ETs, tribal people who were quite human-like but they weren’t quite human. I can remember them chasing us through it, and we came running through shooting back, and we were screaming at the people, “Close it now!” and a few of these ETs still got in after us. I can remember a couple of incidents where people got careless and just didn’t turn it off at all overnight or whatever, and we would wake up and find wildlife roaming around.

DANIEL: What, deer?

JOHN: Yeah, or sometimes something really dangerous. There was one time that a dinosaur-like thing got in from some planet or other and we woke up to find it had killed several people.

DANIEL: Did you have the means to regenerate them?

JOHN: Yes, so it wasn’t a huge deal, but I’m sure whoever left it open got in quite a lot of trouble.

DANIEL: But if it really got out of hand, they would just ante-telephone, so it wasn’t a major concern. They never really caused havoc.

JOHN: No, they didn’t.

DANIEL: And when you are going through these wormholes, does it cause any changes physically or mentally?

JOHN: No.

DANIEL: So, there’s no limit at all to the times you can you get to use them, say, in a single day?

JOHN: No, not that I’m aware of. It’s basically just a— it’s an Einstein-Rosen bridge. It’s just a very advanced form of doorway, esentially.

DANIEL: And you mentioned that they sometimes took you to interdimensional realms: give us just one example there.

JOHN: I can remember visiting one where there were these creatures who looked like, I think the term is satyrs, like the god Pan. The goat people,
the goat people, you know? We went to their dimension. We were after some scrolls or something. How we got the intel that those scrolls were there— well, I’d assume we found it in the device, so I guess that’s how we knew they were there. And we went there, and those creatures were extremely rude to us.

DANIEL: That’s their thing, I think.

JOHN: Yeah. They were extremely rude. Not violent in any way, just no common courtesy.

DANIEL: And presumably we know of them because of the times when Earth also had the overlapping fourth density and higher, so they could inhabit here as well, but no longer.

JOHN: Presumably.

DANIEL: What about other fantastic creatures? Orks?

JOHN: Not Orks. I did see like dark elves once.

(48:00) DANIEL: Shakrell.

JOHN: Is that what they’re called? . . . The dark elves were actually an Inner Earth race. I think they might still have a presence down there, but in Atlantean times they were more or less the dominant species in Inner Earth. And I’ve been to a planet that had griffins, wild griffins flying around, and they were actually really friendly wildlife. They would come up and eat out of your hand and let you pet them and stuff. That was really cool.

DANIEL: The dark elves, were they black?

JOHN: Yeah, black or dark charcoal-gray, red eyes, bright white hair—

DANIEL: Sounds like the Shakrell from Apollymi.

JOHN: Yeah. And around 12 feet tall.

DANIEL: They originated in H’nova.

JOHN: Okay.

DANIEL: And so, you can punch in coordinates, just as with the holograms, just about anywhere that is not restricted because of the political ramifications.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: So, they they can also use this. I mean that’s the only explanation for their ability to just abduct anyone that they want.

JOHN: Yeah.

DANIEL: And do they abduct?

JOHN: Oh, yes.

DANIEL: So, most of the personnel are not there by their own free will?

JOHN: Yeah, most of them are not. A lot of them are actually not abducted: they’re people that we— we did partake in the markets for alters that— That’s a whole subject in and of itself, but there are places where there will be literally alter markets, where you can go look at a list of alters that a person has and buy one.

DANIEL: And where would you go for such a thing? I mean, the Illuminati, or what?

JOHN: There’s a facility on the Moon where you can do that. Sometimes you can do that at Montauk. It’s not so much anymore with Project Phoenix, but in the early days when they had an overabundance of personnel, they would do that quite regularly.

DANIEL: Right.

JOHN: and also there’s there’s a place in Los Angeles where this happens. It’s underneath a museum that I can’t remember the name of [Getty], but under a museum in Los Angeles they will have markets for alters.

DANIEL: Right.

JOHN: You can literally place an order say hey I need a female, age 13 blond hair, blue eyes, who can do telekinesis or whatever.

DANIEL: But is that not the most nefarious aspect of all this?

JOHN: Yes, it is. I fully agree.

DANIEL: Can you point fingers to the agency that’s primarily involved with the mind-fracture and the selling of alters?

JOHN: The entire intelligence community. For Americans that would be the CIA; for the British, MI6; for the French, DGSE; and so on. For the Chinese I believe it’s called the Ministry of State security. Whatever your CIA equivalent is in your whatever country you’re in, your CIA equivalent is who is ultimately doing this.

DANIEL: And these abductions, they also use some sort of time distortion or slowing down or freezing, I think.

JOHN: Yes, they create a time anomaly around the building you’re being abducted from, usually. And of course it usually only takes two or three seconds to go in and grab someone. So they’ll do that and then they’ll turn off the time-anomaly-creating device, and then it’s over with. And then when they bring you back, they do the same in reverse.

DANIEL: And this is first-hand information because you yourself have been involved in them.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: So, the distortion is only effective in the abductees case, and you’re actually immune to it.

JOHN: Yes. How that works I don’t know, but yes that is correct.

DANIEL: And I’ve heard that sometimes they can get a little hairy.

JOHN: Yes. Sometimes the abductee will also be immune to it, and they’ll start fighting back. Sometimes you’ll be spotted and you’ll have to ante-telephone.

(53:00) DANIEL: Just how gruesome do the fights get?

JOHN: Very; they can get very gruesome.

DANIEL: Even result in deaths?

JOHN: Oh, of course, yeah. I mean, people have guns.

DANIEL: And so you just drag their corpse over.

JOHN: Yeah, yeah.

DANIEL: Regenerate them.

JOHN: Yeah, and then we’ll send in a team to clean up and remove all evidence before we put them back.

DANIEL: That’s nice. And do they have special criteria for the abductees?

JOHN: Yes. Do you mean Project Looking Glass specifically?

DANIEL: Well, yeah.

JOHN: Ah, now we’re getting to a juicy thing. Okay. Ninety percent of humans who can use the Looking Glass, including myself, but ninety percent of all people in the entire history of this project who can or have used the device are AB-negative blood type. Less than one percent of the planet is of that blood type, but ninety percent of the people who are able to use the device are AB-negative.

DANIEL: What it does that link you to?

JOHN: That’s the question that I’m trying to figure out right now. I believe it’s actually a cocktail, which is why it’s so rare, because it’s a very specific mix. And I believe you can only have an AB-negative kid if both parents are also AB-negative.

DANIEL: Does it have to do with um ability to interface with the device, or what does it enable the most?

JOHN: It enables whatever psionic ability is required to use the device. The other thing, the Looking Glass device itself requires that, whatever that DNA mixture is. And there are a few people here and there who will also have the required DNA but aren’t AB-negative, but that’s extremely rare. Maybe in the nearly 50 years that Alex has been doing that project there have been perhaps less than 100 out of tens of thousands of people who have come and gone and used the device one once or twice.

DANIEL: So, most of the work effort is aimed towards assessment and research and analysis and tinkering with the probable timelines and possibilities, and not so much with the actual missions, because you don’t need as many people there.

(56:00) JOHN: Yeah. The missions are— I mean, they’re a part of this, but they’re the last step we take. We do all of the research in depth for oftentimes months ahead of time to find out exactly what’s needed for everything, and then we just send in a mission to do whatever is necessary.

DANIEL: But the mission still is everything; you couldn’t make any headway without it.

JOHN: No, you could not.

DANIEL: And is there any mind control involved with the abductees?

JOHN: Yes. I mean, they’re alters, generally.

DANIEL: Which is done outside, never inside. Never like in Montauk; there’s no torture inside the Looking Glass project.

JOHN: Correct. We did not at Area 51; I never saw any mind fracturing occurring there.

DANIEL: Or abuse, I mean, overt.

JOHN: No, no. I mean, there were some pretty severe punishments if you really got out of line, but you wouldn’t get killed if you got caught for a minor infraction like you would at Camp Hero, or anything like that.

DANIEL: But if you did, what was the method of execution?

JOHN: Execution was one shot to the back of the neck, one and done. Punishments were— very occasionally for pretty severe stuff there were floggings. but usually it was just like a reduction in pay or a demotion or notes in your file, things like that. Typical military stuff.

DANIEL: Right. And what would you say is their end-goal, or when would you say that they would be content? Or are they already there?

JOHN: They’re not already there. I don’t know, eventually people are gonna have to get tired of it, honestly, because timelines are never going to stop changing. So, I don’t know. That’s a good question.

DANIEL: Right. So, let’s just take the three testimonies regarding this and go over whether you regard them as believable or not. The first is Bill Wood, who was interviewed by Kerry Cassidy. He claims that he was part of Looking Glass and they actually shut it down years ago because of the inevitable outcome of the awakening — that they saw through it, that they could not control and avert it. So, he’s a presumably a whistleblower that claimed that it’s going to be like a losing chess match between the Cabal and the white hats, and that they can calculate the remainder of the match, but they’re going to lose and they’re just playing it out.

(59:00) JOHN: I’d say that’s somewhat true. I mean, I don’t agree, of course, that it’s been shut down, but I do agree that sooner or later they will lose.

DANIEL: This project itself?

JOHN: No, I mean the Cabal, I’m pretty sure, will eventually lose.

DANIEL: Where would you place this project: is it pretty much in the middle, gray?

JOHN: Yes. There are some genuinely good things that they’ve done here and there; not many, but they do exist. They’ve saved certain planets from destruction and things like that.

DANIEL: But you’re going to go out on limb and say that they didn’t shut it down, and there is the ability to tweak even further than the 2030s.

(1:00:30) JOHN: Yes, I know a little about the 2030 event. There will be something that’s going to happen then.

DANIEL: And there are at least two big timeline sequences.

JOHN: Yes.

DANIEL: Do you know if it’s going to be galactic events?

JOHN: I don’t think that’s happening in 2030; I think that’s much, much further down the line. I think that in 2030, for whatever reason, something massive will happen that will drastically change world politics. And we may get disclosure. In the positive versions we do get disclosure, at least to some degree, in 2030.

DANIEL: And you also had encounters with Bob Lazar.

(1:02:30) JOHN: Yeah. Just as he said, he was there reverse-engineering stuff. I haven’t listened to him in awhile and the memory isn’t super clear, but, yeah, I knew him there. At that period — that would have been, what, late 1980s, I think? At that period Alex was working security. He was still rising through the ranks, kind of bouncing from job to job as part of this project, so he’s— actually, he would have been the one who handled security clearances for Lazar and his team.

DANIEL: So, that confirms that he’s legit, but also most likely altered.

JOHN: I’d be shocked if he wasn’t.

DANIEL: So what [Bob Lazar] is talking about is just the bits that he has been allowed to, and not mind-wiped.

JOHN: Probably, yes.

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